Did the apostles teach baptism?

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Blackpowderduelist

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Y'all reduce the ordinance of the Lord to empty ritual, and rob people of the depth and value of the ordinance that Jesus gave us.
 
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For you it's a modern commercial Christmas package bow, just an ornament stuck on with some cheap tape. Because Jesus got rid of the type and shadows he ordered more, just different ones.
 

GraceAndTruth

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What I see in Matthew 3:10-12 is not what people usually see. Look closely at verse 10. Jesus is talking about cutting unfruitful trees down and putting them into a fire. Is he talking about unrepentant people going to hell?

Verse 11 he's talking about fire again and also water; water for repentance, baptism of the Holy Spirit, and a baptism with fire. The same God who saves with the Holy Spirit is the same God who baptizes with the fires of hell.

So is the baptism of the Holy Spirit actually salvation and the baptism of fire the same as cutting unfruitful trees down and casting them into the fires of hell? Interested in thoughts. Thank you.
Matthew 3:10--12 These are not the word of Jesus, they are the words of John the Baptist.

Do you want to rethink your questions from that perspective?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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There is no baptistery in Joel Osteens church.
 
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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
Definitely, water baptism was required for all Jews in the gospel of the kingdom.

Under the gospel of the kingdom preached to Israel only, water baptism was a requirement for salvation. Israel as a nation was supposed to accept Jesus as their Messiah and be ushered into their promised kingdom where Jesus will rule over them from David's throne in Jerusalem.

Then Israel will become a kingdom of priest, in order to be a priest, every Jew MUST be baptized (Exodus 19:4-6)

Once that happen, then every Jew will be responsible to spread the gospel to every Gentile nation under the Earth. There are a number of OT passages that talk about this prophetic timetable, the most beautiful to me is found in Zechariah 8

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;

8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Jesus gave us three ways to contact him materially: his word, his baptism, his supper.
Sacramentarianism robs men of all three.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I'm not going to debate, read the scriptures heed what is written.
 

Magenta

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Jesus gave us three ways to contact him materially: his word, his baptism, his supper.
Sacramentarianism robs men of all three.
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Romans 8:16

That is not materially, nor are we contacting Him, but the other way around.

The Lord's supper is done in remembrance of Him.


His kingdom is not of this world.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Romans 8:16

That is not materially, nor are we contacting Him, but the other way around.

The Lord's supper is done in remembrance of Him.


His kingdom is not of this world.
Read the scriptures, debate with them.
I will not compromise. I will not deviate from what is written.
 
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Matthew 3:10--12 These are not the word of Jesus, they are the words of John the Baptist.

Do you want to rethink your questions from that perspective?
Good point I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. It doesn't change my perspective, though. I think John the Baptist knows what he is talking about. What do you think he is trying to say?
 

Magenta

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Read the scriptures, debate with them.
I will not compromise. I will not deviate from what is written.
Can you show me where it is written that we materially contact Jesus in the ways you attested?

If it is written, you should be able to tell us where.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Can you show me where it is written that we materially contact Jesus in the ways you attested?

If it is written, you should be able to tell us where.
This is my body, this is my blood.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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"This is" is material by definition.
 
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Faith comes by hearing the word, In The begining was the word, Jesus is the word, hearing is tangible
 
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Romans 6
 

Deuteronomy

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How do you lose original sin without Christian baptism?
Hello Mark1616, where does the Bible tell us that baptism removes the stain of original sin :unsure:

Further, if it's true (that the effects of our first parents' sin is removed in the waters of baptism) why does EVERYONE continue to sin after they are baptized :unsure: (perhaps I should have asked you what you mean, specifically, by "losing original sin")

Thanks!

~Deut
p.s. - if our old (sin) nature is gone, why are we commanded to continually lay it aside :unsure:


Ephesians 4
22 In reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Good point I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. It doesn't change my perspective, though. I think John the Baptist knows what he is talking about. What do you think he is trying to say?
His warning was to the Jews, those under the Law. He knew Messiah was coming and was the voice crying in the wilderness to repent and be baptised. The word baptize (baptizo) means to be fully immersed. ergo the river for baptism. It can also mean to totally immerse oneself in God's will. To repent is to change one's mind, to turn from excusing sin and embracing a reformed life.

John's ministry was to the Jews, preparing for Jesus Christ. The immersion into the water was a Jewish ritual that signified purification.
Fire was the imagery for God's punishment on the unrepentant. To be cut off from the root was to be cut off from God. All imagery.