Did the apostles teach baptism?

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Blackpowderduelist

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Is he holding to the old RC Trans-Substanciation Theory?
No
I hold to something far more transcendent, how bread that is indeed bread, is inhabited by Jesus, and how wine that is indeed wine however is indeed inhabited by Jesus.
Just as his word is also inhabited by him, not the ink on paper. Yet indwelled by him.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#84
Then it is not "materially contacting Jesus," as you insist.

Besides, we are His body.
That's your assessment.

I have already consented to allow you to believe as you choose, and have said that i am not attempting to foist my faith upon you. Why do you insist on continuing to attempt to pry my beliefs from me and replace them with yours.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#85
Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is a group of gentile believers and the apostles peter

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 47-48‬ ‭

yes of course they taught baptism.

To a group of Jews

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

indeed they taught baptism the apostle
Paul’s conversion to the church

“And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your example shows how he knew , he was instructed by Philip to be baptized . Notice all the people in the area were being baptized ? It’s based on the prophecies of the o.t. And coming of the messiah it’s why they were all getting baptized for remission of sins .

it’s an act of faith to get baptized, we do it based on Gods word that says “ if you believe and are baptized I will remit all your sins “

faith is to hear and believe and so act on Gods word there’s no change in baptism Paul in Romans chapter 6 gives us a deeper understanding about baptism including us in Jesus death for sin .

since the beginning God has said what man is to do , and then for awhile they do it and prosper like he said , but then we start saying “ does that apply ? Is that really the truth ? Does it really
Mean what it says ? Do I actually need to believe and do that ?

Believing and getting baptized has an awefully Powerful word with it.

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we don’t understand it , we should just believe and do what the lord is saying it is trustworthy
 

Magenta

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#86
That's your assessment.

I have already consented to allow you to believe as you choose, and have said that i am not attempting to foist my faith upon you. Why do you insist on continuing to attempt to pry my beliefs from me and replace them with yours.
I am simply stating my beliefs, as are you.

Yet when you state your beliefs, you see yourself in a positive light, while casting me doing the same (stating my beliefs) in a negative light. You say, lay aside your predisposition, while holding to yours LOL.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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OK. Please give the rest of us a few more years to catch up to you.:)
Alright, until then I will treat you with the same sarcastic disregard as you have me. I didn't know that you didn't really want an answer. But rather preferred to be patronizing and go on in your hubris, mocking what you don't understand.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#88
I am simply stating my beliefs, as are you.

Yet when you state your beliefs, you see yourself in a positive light, while casting me doing the same (stating my beliefs) in a negative light. You say, lay aside your predisposition, while holding to yours LOL.
I am not the one who engaged in personal insult, or patronizing, nor have I insulted your position. Those are the things you did.
I have layed aside my predisposition, that's how I came to change from what I did believe, which is the same as you believe now.
 

Magenta

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I am not the one who engaged in personal insult, or patronizing, nor have I insulted your position. Those are the things you did.
You mean that is how you interpreted what I said.

Meanwhile you ask me to do things you yourself do not.

That is called hypocrisy.

Sorry you do not like a spade being called a spade.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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You mean that is how you interpreted what I said.

Meanwhile you ask me to do things you yourself do not.

That is called hypocrisy.

Sorry you do not like a spade being called a spade.
1.) Fair enough it's hard to accurately assess intent from text.

2.) What have I asked you to do that I haven't done?

3.) Ad hominem? Because that's what I see there.
 

Magenta

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1.) Fair enough it's hard to accurately assess intent from text.

2.) What have I asked you to do that I haven't done?

3.) Ad hominem? Because that's what I see there.
2. Lay aside your predisposition.

Since you have not, while asking me to, your stance is hypocritical.

That is simply an observation.

But since it reflects poorly on you, you call it an ad hom.

Furthermore, since what you put forth as my beliefs was false, you were patronizing and attempting to insult me.
 

GraceAndTruth

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#92
All thecspostles recieved the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Paul also through laying on of hands.

I recieved it in 1977.

The fire part is the cleansing part.

He is Holy.
He comes in and burns out impurities.

It happens all the time once you recieve that initial impartation.
You have to want it.
It is seen in Elijah/ Elisha.
Elisha went after it.

Today's cessationist; "nope I don't need that....I got all I will ever want"

...you're missing out. Big time
I see your post and I think, "spiritual arrogance"
You would be "cessationist" also if you had the gift of discernment.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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2. Lay aside your predisposition.

Since you have not, while asking me to, your stance is hypocritical.

That is simply an observation.

But since it reflects poorly on you, you call it an ad hom.
I have already as I already explained.
I used to believe just as you do.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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What you put forth as my beliefs was false.
You have stated them for yourself.
But please feel free to reiterate, for my edification.
 
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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
He obviously preached about repentance and baptism and faith in Jesus as part of his explanations to the Eunuch. That seems to be the point doesn't it?
 

soggykitten

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I like you, but I don't understand why we cannot communicate. Lets start again from scratch...

Water baptism is a physical ritual that is not required for becoming born again. It is, like Holy Communion, something we do to remember what He has done for us. It is usually a one time thing, but it happens after Salvation.

Receiving the Holy Spirit is a spiritual event that happens at the same time we are Born Again.
God bless you:).
I thought we were communicating just fine using scripture to support the importance of Baptism in our Salvation. They are intrinsically linked.
 

Nehemiah6

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Paul however did not Baptize people but did teach that Baptism is necessary for salvation.
There is nowhere in the writings of Paul where he makes baptism necessary for salvation. That would not only contradict the Gospel, but all the epistles of Paul. There is nothing supernatural about ordinary H2O. The "clean water" which God speaks about is His Word -- the Gospel (1 Peter 1:23-25).

EZEKIEL 36:25-27:
THE SUPERNATURAL NEW BIRTH AFTER THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT


Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.