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ForestGreenCook said:
Why would you question that, when he knows the count of every hair on your head, at any given time?
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OIC1965 said:
It’s also the redemption of our body, ie SAVED from death and corruption.
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Do you agree its the Adoption . Rom 8 .23 ? the same chapter as the so called Golden chain. ( that doesn't even mention the atonement)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
When your reading everything from preconceived ideas Or looking to attack a side sadly this is what you get. Which is why I said it’s impossible to have a meaningful conversation
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Its not just me that recognises the issues with Arminism being influenced by Calvinism . Hence the video I posted .
 
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throughfaith said:
Its not just me that recognises the issues with Arminism being influenced by Calvinism . Hence the video I posted .
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Lol. No that’s ok I do not see the issue in Christian chat so not even sure why it’s an issue To you. Did someone upset you?
 
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throughfaith said:
Do you agree its the Adoption . Rom 8 .23 ? the same chapter as the so called Golden chain. ( that doesn't even mention the atonement)
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It is the adoption in that it is in a sense a MANIFESTATION of the children of God.

Romans 8:19-23
 
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OIC1965 said:
Isn’t glorification a part of salvation, ie the completion of it?
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Correct. And it also includes the perfection of the saints. And that is what election and predestination are for -- "to be conformed to the image of His Son".
 
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Of all that the Father gives the Son, He shall lose none.
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Didn't he lose you after you were chosen ? And isn't that verse before the cross ? There's no verse that says the Father draws after the cross . Just Jesus drawing ALL men .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Of all that the Father gives the Son, He shall lose none.
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sadly he can’t hear you, his mind is made up.

he will continue to misrepresent you because his blinders are on
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
sadly he can’t hear you, his mind is made up.

he will continue to misrepresent you because his blinders are on
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Genuine question . The Father draws before the cross . The Son draws ALL men after . The Holy spirit? no verse says he draws , at all .
 
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throughfaith said:
Genuine question . The Father draws before the cross . The Son draws ALL men after . The Holy spirit? no verse says he draws , at all .
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What kind of NONSENSE is this?

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit always act in concert*. What one does, they all do. And there is indeed a verse for the Holy Spirit. That is why I said that you have been indoctrinated by some false teacher.

*In concert = together, jointly, in cooperation.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
What kind of NONSENSE is this?

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit always act in concert*. What one does, they all do. And there is indeed a verse for the Holy Spirit. That is why I said that you have been indoctrinated by some false teacher.

*In concert = together, jointly, in cooperation.
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And you offer no verses to support that claim against me ? They do not all do the same things . Are you saying the Father has done what the Son has done? Are you saying the Father has done what the Holy Spirit has done? Did the Holy Spirit take on flesh ? Did the Holy Spirit or the Father die on the cross ?
 
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