Do you agree its the Adoption . Rom 8 .23 ? the same chapter as the so called Golden chain. ( that doesn't even mention the atonement)
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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Its not just me that recognises the issues with Arminism being influenced by Calvinism . Hence the video I posted .
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Lol. No that’s ok I do not see the issue in Christian chat so not even sure why it’s an issue To you. Did someone upset you?
No I appreciated it when i was made aware of my presuppositions.
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You still have some
that’s been my point all along. That’s why you can not hear anyone when they speak
It is the adoption in that it is in a sense a MANIFESTATION of the children of God.
Romans 8:19-23
Correct. And it also includes the perfection of the saints. And that is what election and predestination are for -- "to be conformed to the image of His Son".
For the earnest expectation of the creation WAITS for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Of all that the Father gives the Son, He shall lose none.
Didn't he lose you after you were chosen ? And isn't that verse before the cross ? There's no verse that says the Father draws after the cross . Just Jesus drawing ALL men .
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sadly he can’t hear you, his mind is made up.
he will continue to misrepresent you because his blinders are on
Genuine question . The Father draws before the cross . The Son draws ALL men after . The Holy spirit? no verse says he draws , at all .
What kind of NONSENSE is this?
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit always act in concert*. What one does, they all do. And there is indeed a verse for the Holy Spirit. That is why I said that you have been indoctrinated by some false teacher.
*In concert = together, jointly, in cooperation.
And you offer no verses to support that claim against me ? They do not all do the same things . Are you saying the Father has done what the Son has done? Are you saying the Father has done what the Holy Spirit has done? Did the Holy Spirit take on flesh ? Did the Holy Spirit or the Father die on the cross ?