Eschatology differences & how people get treated

Most of the time the hostility and biting that creeps into eschatological discussions is completely unwarranted, but like every area of theology there are eschatologies that are outright heretical.

As has been brought up previously, some forms of preterism would fall in that category. The future bodily resurrection and reconciliation of the entire world is the hope of Christianity so anything that denies that hope is denying the gospel. Of course, this is only a specific formulation and not all forms of preterism deny this hope.

Though even when someone speaks heresies heaping abuse on them is not meet. It might be a reason for disfellowship but personal attacks aren't justified.

Most of the time the hostility and biting that creeps into eschatological discussions is completely unwarranted, but like every area of theology there are eschatologies that are outright heretical.

As has been brought up previously, some forms of preterism would fall in that category. The future bodily resurrection and reconciliation of the entire world is the hope of Christianity so anything that denies that hope is denying the gospel. Of course, this is only a specific formulation and not all forms of preterism deny this hope.

Though even when someone speaks heresies heaping abuse on them is not meet. It might be a reason for disfellowship but personal attacks aren't justified.

Ahmillennial: Second Coming immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:29-30, resurrection of all John 5:28-29, catching up believers 1 Thess 4:14-17, Heaven & Earth dissolved by fire 2 Pet 3:10-13, GWT final judgement of all Rev 20:11-15, eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Rev 21:1-5, (No Millennium) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins

Now let's put the events in their CORRECT BIBLICAL ORDER:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Saints (the first resurrection)
2. The Great Tribulation (after the Tribulation)
3. Cataclysmic cosmic events -- shaking of the heavens and the earth
4. The Second Coming of Christ
5. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints
6. The establishment of the Millennial Kingdom (visible and tangible)
7. The battle of Gog and Magog
8. The resurrection of damnation (the second resurrection)
9. The Great White Throne Judgment
10. The supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere
11. The New Heavens and the New Earth
12. The eternal Kingdom of God on earth (visible and tangible)

Now let's put the events in their CORRECT BIBLICAL ORDER:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Saints (the first resurrection)
2. The Great Tribulation (after the Tribulation)
3. Cataclysmic cosmic events -- shaking of the heavens and the earth
4. The Second Coming of Christ
5. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints
6. The establishment of the Millennial Kingdom (visible and tangible)
7. The battle of Gog and Magog
8. The resurrection of damnation (the second resurrection)
9. The Great White Throne Judgment
10. The supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere
11. The New Heavens and the New Earth
12. The eternal Kingdom of God on earth (visible and tangible)

I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.
I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...
Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?
Have you had similar experiences, people getting ugly about differences in opinion about what's going to happen in the future?

I have found that it is almost impossible to get people on this site to speak of scripture as it applies to any understanding of scripture. They almost always turn it into blaming people if they disagree on any scripture interpretation, rather than speaking of what they find in scripture.

I have given up on trying to get past this, they have firmly decided this is the way they will act.

I Believe we are talking about (Full Preterist) denying a future second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

Individuals try to hide behind the word (Eschatology) falsely as a victim, hiding their denial of the second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretucal

Pretty much, I'm at the point to not discuss the Bible here any more.

When you come to the house of God, come forth rather to listen than to offer the sacrifice of those who do not know they do wrong.
The day will come when anyone who kills you will think they are offering God a service.

I'm not a big fan of the bible. To me it fails to represent God, mans love of God, or a path to a Godly civilization. Vainly does it imply we are here to find God, while it instructs us of Gods' requirements, knowing we come from God... I think if you wished to help someone you would be wasting your time quoting bible verses, so if you felt assaulted by someones biblical knowledge, consider the tone of your conversation, i.e. "I know more about the bible than you" or "Something is wrong in life, and the bible says its my own fault" Vain allusions spirituality are slathered in threats of loss or destruction of soul and celestial beings waiting in the spiritual bushes to cut you to pieces with your own beliefs.

We are a blessing on the earth, we live here against someones wishes, we are divided and made to eat one anothers spiritual flesh, but if you read the bible then tell me what this means to you; Shall the earth be abandoned for your sake? Shall the rocks be moved from their place? Who, you fathers would give your son a snake if asked for bread?

I have found that it is almost impossible to get people on this site to speak of scripture as it applies to any understanding of scripture. They almost always turn it into blaming people if they disagree on any scripture interpretation, rather than speaking of what they find in scripture.

I have given up on trying to get past this, they have firmly decided this is the way they will act.

The future second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer are major foundations of the Christian faith, doctrine that surpasses individual denominational lines.

(Full Preterism) denies both, and is another doctrine, not seen or taught in the scripture.

Thanks for your input and opinion, it's my opinion (Full Preterism) is Heretical

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

I will openly testify, I received the gift of speaking in other tongues 43 years ago while praying in my room privately, the gift is the same today.

When I see posters in denial of the gift for today it brings big smiles, can't deny something received and alive today, and that's the truth.

Attack the teaching, (Full Preterism) Is Heresy!

(Full Preterism) denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.

Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Hello lovely lady Please/I pray you do not allow the immaturity of others to deter your efforts here...

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Nobody denied anything. The OP was about you and the hate crew attacking those you disagree with about eschatology, and your childish tail can't stop proving his point. NO ONE has said a thing about any actual belief, we were talking about the rude, foolish, divisive behavior you're demonstrating here. LOL wow you are thick.


I wish you'd grow up and realize you are so dead wrong about people's salvation depending on eschatology, you are just straight up as wrong as a person can possibly be about anything......, that's how wrong you are about this. You need to repent, because you're causing unrest in the body, and it's a slap in the face to our King. Seemingly because you are board. STOP IT!!!!!

perhaps you lean that way as you are not sure of your spiritual status?

however, we believe that the Bible is actually God's word. if you do not believe that, then why would you offer hope from something you do not believe in?

Attack the teaching, Is Heresy!

denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.

Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.

The bible is the only text you can relate to a majority of people with, just as it's author knew when he penned the bloody death of christ and the bloody end of the world. We all however relate the suffering of our shared experience from an agreement that our lifes are not as they should be, now tell me what you read in the bible that will stop all the ills of the world?

Perhaps every minute i live my soul is being devoured by demons and lies, I should wonder, wouldn't it be more effective to present life as a fairy tale of fulfilling experiences to mask the destruction of our souls? Tell me of your spirituality. How do you quantify the condition of your soul, beyond allusions to intangiables like salvation, final disposition, redeemed...

I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.
I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...
Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?
Have you had similar experiences, people getting ugly about differences in opinion about what's going to happen in the future?

quite a dramatic rendering, but it isn't mine

this would be the thread to ask those questions I suppose, but I don't think it fruitful and certainly not wise, to give in to feelings that may sweep over a person one day and the next that same person does not feel those burdens

one thing about the Bible. it does not vary from day to day, does not run on our feelings and does not change to suit us

in other words, according to the Bible, God does not change and is not swayed by our moods nor does He respond in kind. He is dependable, faithful, loving, kind and merciful. his word is final irregardless of whether or not we like it. God is many things but He is not one of us. He created us and we are in rebellion against Him

we can put down our rebellion and call upon Him and He will hear us and has already answered us. He has provided a way out of our situation and an answer to our sins which weigh us down and give us an outlook on life that is very negative

when people are down or 'depressed', things can appear very differently than they really are. even a non-Christian can have a good outlook on life if they are positive and do not dwell on negativity or blame others for their situation

however, a Christian has a hope, a belief, that transcends this world irregardless of current circumstances, but even a Christian can become depressed if they view their life through the lens of self-pity or blame.

there is also clinical depression, which a doctor would diagnose and there can be real help if a person suffers from such a thing

I am not a doctor, but I am a Christian and I cannot give to another what God has done for me. I can point a person to Christ but it is always up to the individual how they will respond. As a Christian, I can also suggest a depressed or despondent person seek out medical help.

Sometimes people prefer to wallow in their situation and blame others even though help is offered or available

Each person must decide their action and move forward, or, blame others and do nothing