Eschatology differences & how people get treated
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Attack the teaching, (Full Preterism) Is Heresy!
(Full Preterism) denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.
Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.
Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
(Full Preterism) denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.
Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.
Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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Now let's put the events in their CORRECT BIBLICAL ORDER:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Saints (the first resurrection)
2. The Great Tribulation (after the Tribulation)
3. Cataclysmic cosmic events -- shaking of the heavens and the earth
4. The Second Coming of Christ
5. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints
6. The establishment of the Millennial Kingdom (visible and tangible)
7. The battle of Gog and Magog
8. The resurrection of damnation (the second resurrection)
9. The Great White Throne Judgment
10. The supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere
11. The New Heavens and the New Earth
12. The eternal Kingdom of God on earth (visible and tangible)
1. The Resurrection/Rapture of the Saints (the first resurrection)
2. The Great Tribulation (after the Tribulation)
3. Cataclysmic cosmic events -- shaking of the heavens and the earth
4. The Second Coming of Christ
5. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints
6. The establishment of the Millennial Kingdom (visible and tangible)
7. The battle of Gog and Magog
8. The resurrection of damnation (the second resurrection)
9. The Great White Throne Judgment
10. The supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere
11. The New Heavens and the New Earth
12. The eternal Kingdom of God on earth (visible and tangible)
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I'm fully aware you have read the once upon a time in the make believe land of Dispensationalism?
We will disagree
(The Last Day)
1.) The Second Coming immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:29-30,
2.) The resurrection of all John 5:28-29
3.) The catching up believers 1 Thess 4:14-17
4.) The Heavens & Earth dissolved by fire 2 Pet 3:10-13,
5.) The GWT final judgement of all Rev 20:11-15,
6.) The Eternal Kingdom Revealed in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Rev 21:1-5
7.) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins
We will disagree
(The Last Day)
1.) The Second Coming immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:29-30,
2.) The resurrection of all John 5:28-29
3.) The catching up believers 1 Thess 4:14-17
4.) The Heavens & Earth dissolved by fire 2 Pet 3:10-13,
5.) The GWT final judgement of all Rev 20:11-15,
6.) The Eternal Kingdom Revealed in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Rev 21:1-5
7.) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins
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Christ is here reigning in the hearts of his kingdom of priests. The gospel will be killed or silenced (God hiding his face) for a short while, until the last day under the Sun .
Makes me wonder like the query in Luke 18; "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Or mankind walking after their own experiences as oral traditions of men. Possibly the last elected born again saint is called before the two witness were silenced, the law and the prophets, the one witness of God who hides his face .
Deuteronomy 32:19-21 King James Version (KJV) And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
When you come to the house of God, come forth rather to listen than to offer the sacrifice of those who do not know they do wrong.
The day will come when anyone who kills you will think they are offering God a service.
I'm not a big fan of the bible. To me it fails to represent God, mans love of God, or a path to a Godly civilization. Vainly does it imply we are here to find God, while it instructs us of Gods' requirements, knowing we come from God... I think if you wished to help someone you would be wasting your time quoting bible verses, so if you felt assaulted by someones biblical knowledge, consider the tone of your conversation, i.e. "I know more about the bible than you" or "Something is wrong in life, and the bible says its my own fault" Vain allusions spirituality are slathered in threats of loss or destruction of soul and celestial beings waiting in the spiritual bushes to cut you to pieces with your own beliefs.
We are a blessing on the earth, we live here against someones wishes, we are divided and made to eat one anothers spiritual flesh, but if you read the bible then tell me what this means to you; Shall the earth be abandoned for your sake? Shall the rocks be moved from their place? Who, you fathers would give your son a snake if asked for bread?
The day will come when anyone who kills you will think they are offering God a service.
I'm not a big fan of the bible. To me it fails to represent God, mans love of God, or a path to a Godly civilization. Vainly does it imply we are here to find God, while it instructs us of Gods' requirements, knowing we come from God... I think if you wished to help someone you would be wasting your time quoting bible verses, so if you felt assaulted by someones biblical knowledge, consider the tone of your conversation, i.e. "I know more about the bible than you" or "Something is wrong in life, and the bible says its my own fault" Vain allusions spirituality are slathered in threats of loss or destruction of soul and celestial beings waiting in the spiritual bushes to cut you to pieces with your own beliefs.
We are a blessing on the earth, we live here against someones wishes, we are divided and made to eat one anothers spiritual flesh, but if you read the bible then tell me what this means to you; Shall the earth be abandoned for your sake? Shall the rocks be moved from their place? Who, you fathers would give your son a snake if asked for bread?
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I have found that it is almost impossible to get people on this site to speak of scripture as it applies to any understanding of scripture. They almost always turn it into blaming people if they disagree on any scripture interpretation, rather than speaking of what they find in scripture.
I have given up on trying to get past this, they have firmly decided this is the way they will act.
I have given up on trying to get past this, they have firmly decided this is the way they will act.
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Blik Blik Blik
you do not actually represent scripture in the sense it is accepted from a Christian stand point
and now you appear to be in agreement with a non-believer
we are not under the law, we are washed by the blood of Christ and He alone is our atonement
who is the they? are 'they' the people who keep trying to point this out to you over and over, with patience and concern?
smh
you do not actually represent scripture in the sense it is accepted from a Christian stand point
and now you appear to be in agreement with a non-believer
we are not under the law, we are washed by the blood of Christ and He alone is our atonement
who is the they? are 'they' the people who keep trying to point this out to you over and over, with patience and concern?
smh
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The future second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer are major foundations of the Christian faith, doctrine that surpasses individual denominational lines.
(Full Preterism) denies both, and is another doctrine, not seen or taught in the scripture.
Thanks for your input and opinion, it's my opinion (Full Preterism) is Heretical
Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
(Full Preterism) denies both, and is another doctrine, not seen or taught in the scripture.
Thanks for your input and opinion, it's my opinion (Full Preterism) is Heretical
Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
And again
Nobody denied anything. The OP was about you and the hate crew attacking those you disagree with about eschatology, and your childish tail can't stop proving his point. NO ONE has said a thing about any actual belief, we were talking about the rude, foolish, divisive behavior you're demonstrating here. LOL wow you are thick.
I wish you'd grow up and realize you are so dead wrong about people's salvation depending on eschatology, you are just straight up as wrong as a person can possibly be about anything......, that's how wrong you are about this. You need to repent, because you're causing unrest in the body, and it's a slap in the face to our King. Seemingly because you are board. STOP IT!!!!!
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Hello lovely lady Please/I pray you do not allow the immaturity of others to deter your efforts here...
For your amusement:
Please/I pray you do not allow the immaturity of others to deter your efforts here...For your amusement:
BFD pretty much it's always the same subjects spinning around and almost never is there a real study anyway. There's Prayer Requests, there is Miscellaneous I suppose.-
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I'm not even a preterist and it's quite disturbing to read how they are treated. I asked people to stay on subject and please refrain from discussing particular teachings here, but some are ignoring it.
And he does not even understand what it means "causing offence contrary to the doctrine".
It's not about merely being offended at incorrect teaching, but is about causing brethren to sin. "Offence" in the Bible largely means sin, and it is always used in that meaning throughout the Romans, which he quotes.
Jesus is the rock of offence because unbelievers will stumble upon Him and and fall in their sins; not the Rock of being offended.
That verse is about people like Jezebel from Revelation, destroying the church (causing division) and causing people to sin.
But what do I know...
And he does not even understand what it means "causing offence contrary to the doctrine".
It's not about merely being offended at incorrect teaching, but is about causing brethren to sin. "Offence" in the Bible largely means sin, and it is always used in that meaning throughout the Romans, which he quotes.
Jesus is the rock of offence because unbelievers will stumble upon Him and and fall in their sins; not the Rock of being offended.
That verse is about people like Jezebel from Revelation, destroying the church (causing division) and causing people to sin.
But what do I know...
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The bible is the only text you can relate to a majority of people with, just as it's author knew when he penned the bloody death of christ and the bloody end of the world. We all however relate the suffering of our shared experience from an agreement that our lifes are not as they should be, now tell me what you read in the bible that will stop all the ills of the world?
Perhaps every minute i live my soul is being devoured by demons and lies, I should wonder, wouldn't it be more effective to present life as a fairy tale of fulfilling experiences to mask the destruction of our souls? Tell me of your spirituality. How do you quantify the condition of your soul, beyond allusions to intangiables like salvation, final disposition, redeemed...
Perhaps every minute i live my soul is being devoured by demons and lies, I should wonder, wouldn't it be more effective to present life as a fairy tale of fulfilling experiences to mask the destruction of our souls? Tell me of your spirituality. How do you quantify the condition of your soul, beyond allusions to intangiables like salvation, final disposition, redeemed...
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quite a dramatic rendering, but it isn't mine
this would be the thread to ask those questions I suppose, but I don't think it fruitful and certainly not wise, to give in to feelings that may sweep over a person one day and the next that same person does not feel those burdens
one thing about the Bible. it does not vary from day to day, does not run on our feelings and does not change to suit us
in other words, according to the Bible, God does not change and is not swayed by our moods nor does He respond in kind. He is dependable, faithful, loving, kind and merciful. his word is final irregardless of whether or not we like it. God is many things but He is not one of us. He created us and we are in rebellion against Him
we can put down our rebellion and call upon Him and He will hear us and has already answered us. He has provided a way out of our situation and an answer to our sins which weigh us down and give us an outlook on life that is very negative
when people are down or 'depressed', things can appear very differently than they really are. even a non-Christian can have a good outlook on life if they are positive and do not dwell on negativity or blame others for their situation
however, a Christian has a hope, a belief, that transcends this world irregardless of current circumstances, but even a Christian can become depressed if they view their life through the lens of self-pity or blame.
there is also clinical depression, which a doctor would diagnose and there can be real help if a person suffers from such a thing
I am not a doctor, but I am a Christian and I cannot give to another what God has done for me. I can point a person to Christ but it is always up to the individual how they will respond. As a Christian, I can also suggest a depressed or despondent person seek out medical help.
Sometimes people prefer to wallow in their situation and blame others even though help is offered or available
Each person must decide their action and move forward, or, blame others and do nothing
this would be the thread to ask those questions I suppose, but I don't think it fruitful and certainly not wise, to give in to feelings that may sweep over a person one day and the next that same person does not feel those burdens
one thing about the Bible. it does not vary from day to day, does not run on our feelings and does not change to suit us
in other words, according to the Bible, God does not change and is not swayed by our moods nor does He respond in kind. He is dependable, faithful, loving, kind and merciful. his word is final irregardless of whether or not we like it. God is many things but He is not one of us. He created us and we are in rebellion against Him
we can put down our rebellion and call upon Him and He will hear us and has already answered us. He has provided a way out of our situation and an answer to our sins which weigh us down and give us an outlook on life that is very negative
when people are down or 'depressed', things can appear very differently than they really are. even a non-Christian can have a good outlook on life if they are positive and do not dwell on negativity or blame others for their situation
however, a Christian has a hope, a belief, that transcends this world irregardless of current circumstances, but even a Christian can become depressed if they view their life through the lens of self-pity or blame.
there is also clinical depression, which a doctor would diagnose and there can be real help if a person suffers from such a thing
I am not a doctor, but I am a Christian and I cannot give to another what God has done for me. I can point a person to Christ but it is always up to the individual how they will respond. As a Christian, I can also suggest a depressed or despondent person seek out medical help.
Sometimes people prefer to wallow in their situation and blame others even though help is offered or available
Each person must decide their action and move forward, or, blame others and do nothing
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The larger question is if God made everything, who would work against him, knowing he put us here? The bible paints seperation from God and being in a body as hell and punishment and we are sinners and rebels, why don't we just leave? Because we do not hate ourselves, we must be made to hate ourselves. Because we don't hate life, we must be made to hate life. These are all indicators someone doesn't want us to be here and our depression and negativity are certainly justified, though we may not be able to put our finger on why.