By Works

I never alluded nor stated outright that I believe a Christian will never lose their faith. I said we can never lose our salvation.

Correct me If I am wrong

So you believe Christian may lose their faith
Salvation by faith

Lose faith mean lose salvation

Nope. We've been saved by the grace of God. If someone loses faith it doesn't mean they lose salvation. Both are a gift of God. We can waiver in our faith for whatever reason but because God knows more than we do, he doesn't waver in his love for us. Or in his eternal security that he died to insure.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

We're not Saved by works but for works. I found this not long ago. Maybe it will help you. https://au.thegospelcoalition.org/a...od-reading-ephesians-28-10-with-the-ancients/

I have wondered so often what is the TRUE focus of those who say they are followers of Jesus!

I see much questioning the salvation issue.
1.Jesus, God's only Son lay down His life as payment for the wages of sin man committed against the Father in serving the desires of the flesh.
2. He did it willingly in love so man could have a relationship with the Father.
3. His death brought salvation to a dead word that had no hope of life.
4 .The greatest gift of love to have ever been bestowed on another,redemption,deliverance,salvation.( This gift is not forced,but accepted)

What one thinks is another's FALSE dogma or interpretation.
1.The word of God is the only true doctrine required of the Father for our walk.
2. Believers MUST be Spirit led,we can hear others but weigh what is said by scripture.

How views of others walk balances with the word.
1. Does belief in eternal security,what is faith,who inherits the kingdom,works or not,ect.ect matter except on an individual basis?
Does God SEE us as a lump sum or as individual with the faith,Spirit,love,attributes ect ect He gives into our lives to perfect us?

I FULLY believe sin seperates us from a holy God!
Sin is clearly defined in the word of both heart and flesh.
If sin seperates then there is no relationship.( But God is merciful and slow to anger)

To be clear,I do believe our full salvation comes at the end of our life if we have held fast to Jesus and a faithful life.

Also so as not to leave this open ,the gift of salvation is free and conditional.( As in " you've won a free trip BUT YOU MUST CALL TO CONFIRM")
God has done His part and opened the narrow way for use to walk,and we must follow the road signs He has placed in obedience or be lost!

I pass judgement on none,I cannot see into another's heart. God,by His word holds the balance and scales for us ALL!

I have wondered so often what is the TRUE focus of those who say they are followers of Jesus!

I see much questioning the salvation issue.
1.Jesus, God's only Son lay down His life as payment for the wages of sin man committed against the Father in serving the desires of the flesh.
2. He did it willingly in love so man could have a relationship with the Father.
3. His death brought salvation to a dead word that had no hope of life.
4 .The greatest gift of love to have ever been bestowed on another,redemption,deliverance,salvation.( This gift is not forced,but accepted)

What one thinks is another's FALSE dogma or interpretation.
1.The word of God is the only true doctrine required of the Father for our walk.
2. Believers MUST be Spirit led,we can hear others but weigh what is said by scripture.

How views of others walk balances with the word.
1. Does belief in eternal security,what is faith,who inherits the kingdom,works or not,ect.ect matter except on an individual basis?
Does God SEE us as a lump sum or as individual with the faith,Spirit,love,attributes ect ect He gives into our lives to perfect us?

I FULLY believe sin seperates us from a holy God!
Sin is clearly defined in the word of both heart and flesh.
If sin seperates then there is no relationship.( But God is merciful and slow to anger)

To be clear,I do believe our full salvation comes at the end of our life if we have held fast to Jesus and a faithful life.

Also so as not to leave this open ,the gift of salvation is free and conditional.( As in " you've won a free trip BUT YOU MUST CALL TO CONFIRM")
God has done His part and opened the narrow way for use to walk,and we must follow the road signs He has placed in obedience or be lost!

I pass judgement on none,I cannot see into another's heart. God,by His word holds the balance and scales for us ALL!

I have a difficult time trying to reason that God would teach eternal security to one person and losable salvation to another.

“I never knew you” means exactly that.
I encourage you to be at peace knowing your salvation is eternally secured in Christ. 😊

There is a few good men who you forgot , Sinclair Ferguson , Steve Lawson , I like those to...
I know little of Calvin , learned more about the hate towards him in the Calvin thread from you and others...
These men that you have mentioned above are your brothers in Christ , no they are not 100 percent correct , and neither are you , should you be shunned because not everyone believes as you do ?

I stopped listening to you and others a while ago , not by my doing , but by the Holy Spirit showing me He does not want me having the same attitude as you have , you are cold towards others who see things you cannot see , and only the Holy Spirit can work that pebble out your heart before it turns into a stone...

Matthew 5
22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell.…



1 John 2:9
If anyone claims to be in the light but hates his brother, he is still in the darkness.



1 John 2:11
But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

I have wondered so often what is the TRUE focus of those who say they are followers of Jesus!

I don't know all the unswer but what I know is we have to believe the bible

Murder No repent go to hell.
Repent, forgiven.

That is the only knowledge I have from the bible.

If you don't know that murder is sin, and killing is that make you not sin because you don't know?


I don't know if any don't know murder is sin

About another sin like not give drink to the poor people may don't think as a sin


Mat 25

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

I don't know why, only because not give drink to the poor Jesus put us to hell.

We may think It is not fair, but that is what He say.
I was think murder is sin, Lie or stealing was, but not give a water to the poor sin, surprise me. But we can't protest Him anyway

Mathew 5 is OT still .

Do recognize that you are taking this doctrine either from the 4 gospels, or Hebrews to Revelations.

1 Peter 4:
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

I'm taking what I believe from all of O. T. to all of N. T.
God had a plan for redemption for fallen man b4 the first words He spoke.
Genesis to Revelations is the manual of our walk.
I do not understand how you break it down from Romans to Philemon and Hebrews to Revelations to determine what kind of walk another has.
The Holy Spirit IS the divine teacher!

If you think carefully about the four questions I gave you will realize that every one of those is a sin. No sin is going to get into heaven! Murder/killing is also a sin and no murderer will get into heaven. So for all four of the cases below unless there is forgiveness from God that person will not get to heaven in the "time inbetween."

(1) If a Christian gets angry with his brother and then two hours later confesses and repents of that sin -- what would happen to him if he died in the two hours inbetween? go to hell? or heaven?

(2) If a Christian in his mind/heart for only five seconds get angry with a brother, and then keeps on going with his life and forgets about being angry with his brother. Five years later he remembers those angry thoughts toward his brother and repents of them. What would happen to him if he died in those five years inbetween?

(3) If a Christian uses a swear word (that is taking God's name in vain), but when he used the word he did not even realize it was a word that took God's name in vain. A year later he hears a sermon and he realizes the word he used was a sin! Then he repents and confesses it. What would have happened to him if he died in those five years inbetween?

(4) What if the Holy Spirit tells a person to witness to a neighbor, but the Christian does not listen to the Spirit. A week later he repents and goes and witnesses to the neighbor. What would have happened to him if he died that week inbetween?


I John 1:7 says that for the believer (the person walking in the light) the blood of Jesus Christ is cleansing continually (Greek present tense) from all sin. That means simply that when a believer sins the blood of Christ cleanses him (and he is forgiven).


Here is my personal testimony:

I used to fear that every sin I committed God was marking a Big Red X on my record and would now send me to hell. It was like God was laughing at me and saying: "Aha, I caught you, and now I am sending you to hell. (But that is actually the way Satan accuses us!!!!) So at the end of the day, I would pray and ask forgiveness for every thing I could think of that I did wrong and I would tell God I was sorry. But mostly I was just afraid of hell and wanted to make sure I got to heaven.

Once I understood God's ongoing forgiveness my approach to sins I committed was much different. I became deeply sad because I knew my sin grieved Christ and I mourned deeply over my sin - and yet this sorrow was mixed with a deep sense of gratefulness for the forgiveness that came because of Jesus' sacrifice.

I do not believe in "Once saved always saved" -- This teaches that at the moment you are born again all of your sins past, present, and future are all forgiven. Thus no matter how you live, or if you believe or do not believe, you are saved for all eternity.

I believe that the person who has faith in Jesus Christ has the blessing of ongoing cleansing of the blood of Christ. That is, when you sin, you are forgiven. But if you no longer have faith in Jesus Christ (turn your back on Christ and deny Him), then of course the blood of Christ will not be cleansing you from all sin.

Do you believe It is posible for Christian ABA Don his faith?

Matthew 24:13

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

Your doctrine comes from covenant theology?

Matthew is in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus declares himself the fulfillment of the OT law

Matthew 5:21,22 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you,

If you want to delegate the very words of Jesus, the Messiah, the Redeemer, to the old covenant, then I guess you may. You have that right. I will not do that.

God's doctrine is His word and I do my very best to live btwn the pages of instructions and commands He has given us.

I do not believe in OSAS, Calvinism,Mormonism,SDA,Jehovah witness,church of Christ,Baptist,Methodist,nor any denominal statement of faith nor Creed.

I believe in God,the Father,Jesus,the Son and the Holy Ghost.
I believe we must be born again by the Spirit by repenting,confessing and turning from sin.
I believe we must live within the instructions of God's word as our only source of doctrine.
I believe in a real heaven and a real hell.
Love the Lord our God and your neighbor as yourself as the two greatest commands given.
Be led of the Holy Spirit and not of the flesh in finding the paths He sets b4 us.

Walk in love being a good steward of the word towards God and our fellow man.

God's promises and blessings are real to those who walk in obedience.

I don't know what I may be called among Christendom but I pray that Jesus shines through me in love!