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@Rosemaryx ,let me say to you in affirmation and confirmation,YOUR walk with the Lord is YOUR own, continue to walk as He directs you in the word,not others.
We ALL are fallible,He is NOT!
HE stands firm on His promises and blessings in His word.
Hold fast to whatever He leads you comparing scripture to scripture for it is the ONLY TRUTH!
Man's doctrines are prevalent in today's age but we must trust in Gods doctrine which is backed by His word!
We ALL are fallible,He is NOT!
HE stands firm on His promises and blessings in His word.
Hold fast to whatever He leads you comparing scripture to scripture for it is the ONLY TRUTH!
Man's doctrines are prevalent in today's age but we must trust in Gods doctrine which is backed by His word!
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Yes.
If I kill someone who is trying to murder someone in front of me, man and his court does not prosecute me. God would also know I was risking my life in defense of another, which is not condemned by God in his word, and as such I would remain saved.
There are junkies who were and are Christian. They have a lapse on the way but that doesn't mean God turns from them. If anything, that is when they need God the most.
As I read it, verses that tell us God will turn away from us, or that passage that says , if we deny Jesus he shall deny us, are not saying, God will strip away our salvation. Our salvation is eternal life through Christ our Lord. It isn't something we find out about, if we passed the mortal test, to achieve the salvific promise while on earth. Rather, again as I've read it, we are saved the moment we accept Christ as our savior. Savior=Salvation=Saved. Jesus said, no one can take us from his hand. If no one on earth can do that, then Jesus shall not either. Or else he would have worded the scripture to read, no one can take you from my hand but you are able to release my grace filled covenant if you choose.
That would make us able to out-know God, since he knows who are his sheep and those who will at the judgment argue they did this and that in his name, i.e. as professing Christians, yet he does not know them.
People who lose their salvation, in my view, are those type people. Those who were never part of the actual covenant. We can't fool God. While fake Christians abound.
If I kill someone who is trying to murder someone in front of me, man and his court does not prosecute me. God would also know I was risking my life in defense of another, which is not condemned by God in his word, and as such I would remain saved.
There are junkies who were and are Christian. They have a lapse on the way but that doesn't mean God turns from them. If anything, that is when they need God the most.
As I read it, verses that tell us God will turn away from us, or that passage that says , if we deny Jesus he shall deny us, are not saying, God will strip away our salvation. Our salvation is eternal life through Christ our Lord. It isn't something we find out about, if we passed the mortal test, to achieve the salvific promise while on earth. Rather, again as I've read it, we are saved the moment we accept Christ as our savior. Savior=Salvation=Saved. Jesus said, no one can take us from his hand. If no one on earth can do that, then Jesus shall not either. Or else he would have worded the scripture to read, no one can take you from my hand but you are able to release my grace filled covenant if you choose.
That would make us able to out-know God, since he knows who are his sheep and those who will at the judgment argue they did this and that in his name, i.e. as professing Christians, yet he does not know them.
People who lose their salvation, in my view, are those type people. Those who were never part of the actual covenant. We can't fool God. While fake Christians abound.
Maybe find a different worded version to understand that scripture? All those described in the first two verses of 9&10 you'll maybe notice are those who are not Christians.
As we may note in verse 11. "And that is what some of you were". Verses 9 through 10 are talking about the unrepentant sinners and therein their sins are described.
As we may note in verse 11. "And that is what some of you were". Verses 9 through 10 are talking about the unrepentant sinners and therein their sins are described.
How can they lose what they never had? 
People that are not really saved likely don't know it. Which is why they're lost still. They lose the salvation they imagine they had. But they never actually had salvation to begin with.
Maybe a good question. Perhaps someone who believers they as a believer can lose their salvation will choose to answer it.
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That verse as I read it is speaking of pre-Christ and post Christ.
The wages of sin was death.
Also, the passage that says Jesus took the sins of the world upon himself on the cross does not equivocate. The sins of the world, appears more than once in scripture, are all sins for all time.
Those who do not accept the heavenly gift of God die in their sins. All they had to do is repent and accept the savior that saved them from their sins. That easy.
And for the sincere of heart whom God knows of course because he knows our heart, that is scripture too, they are eternally in the grace of God and that holy spirit dwells within them.
The wages of sin was death.
Also, the passage that says Jesus took the sins of the world upon himself on the cross does not equivocate. The sins of the world, appears more than once in scripture, are all sins for all time.
Those who do not accept the heavenly gift of God die in their sins. All they had to do is repent and accept the savior that saved them from their sins. That easy.
And for the sincere of heart whom God knows of course because he knows our heart, that is scripture too, they are eternally in the grace of God and that holy spirit dwells within them.
I believe that there is an element of truth to that because each one of us is a unique individual in our personal relationship with the Lord with our own particular situation and environment. With that said, most of of scripture is speaking to all of us such as God is love and Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. That God is three unique entities, Father, Son, Holy Spirit comprising one God. But yes, in certain instances God may indeed speak differently depending on the individual and the events that played a part in defining who that person is at that moment in time.
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