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Lightskin

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PS said:
I was saying you have to be one of the sheep already, before you can fall away. Do you understand the implications? The lost sheep are already saved, but now are lost.
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And Jesus goes and finds the lost sheep so that He will lose none.
 
mailmandan

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OneOfHis said:
Ridiculous.

If your Father caught you stealing and forgave you would He tell you to "sin a little more but not too much"?

No.

Jesus told a woman who didn't ask for forgiveness in the text "I do not condemn you" though she was caught in the act of sinning. Then as a loving Lord gave proper instruction.
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I've seen people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach "sinless perfection," yet Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
 
Lightskin

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They believed in God, and they boasted about their particular brand of religion, exactly like on here
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You’re actually writing those words in a condemning manner towards those of us who put our complete and total faith in Jesus Christ. That’s astonishing.
 
Lightskin

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All people ever do on here is to find fault with others. It needs to stop. If you are going to find fault, explain why.
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What did I post towards anyone particularly? I didn’t. I stated Catholicism is false doctrine, and you see me attacking someone. That’s your problem; you see things that don’t exist and don’t see what is plainly obvious.
 
Lightskin

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Jesus died ONCE for our sins, and we are redeemed for PAST sins. Then we are told to sin no more.
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So according to your standard people should not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior until their deathbed thus having all their past sins covered.
 
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Lightskin said:
According to you, the One who grants and maintains salvation actually doesn’t maintain salvation if it’s the believer that maintains his/her salvation. SMH
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It's impossible that believing is what maintains God's salvation.
I'm pretty sure it is maintained on it's own merits. Particularly the merits of it's Great High Priest and Sacrifice, Jesus Christ.
It doesn't end if you stop believing. It goes on without you.
If you stop believing it only ends for you.
Believing is only a conduit of the power of salvation, not the power itself.

It's all about perspective, Lightskin.
Right now your perspective of Jesus' ministry is based on various doctrines of men.
You need to get your perspective aligned with what the Bible says about Jesus' ministry in the book of Hebrews.
There it will explain to you what things like 'never ending' and 'forever' actually mean, not what men have told you they mean.
 
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Before I go out, here is something to ponder. In Romans 3:24-25 we read,

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Salvation covers past sins, but then we are told to sin no more.
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You are very, very wrong on this.
This has to be the most nonsensical idea ever.
 
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mailmandan said:
Romans 3:25 (AMP) - whom God displayed publicly [before the eyes of the world] as a [life-giving] sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation (propitiation) by His blood [to be received] through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness [which demands punishment for sin], because in His forbearance [His deliberate restraint] He passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion]. This sheds some light on what is meant by PAST sins. It does not mean that ONLY our past sins are forgiven by Jesus.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Further translations of Romans 3:25 read:

ESV - whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

HCSB - God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.

NASB - whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed.

NIV - God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.
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If you want to play word games fair enough, but isn't it best to do as Jesus said to others after healing them and sin no more?
 
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Whispered said:
No, that's not what He said.
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Actually it does.

As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—eternal life. - 1 John 2:24-25

Please don't make this another scripture that doesn't really mean what it says.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Ridiculous.

If your Father caught you stealing and forgave you would He tell you to "sin a little more but not too much"?

No.

Jesus told a woman who didn't ask for forgiveness in the text "I do not condemn you" though she was caught in the act of sinning. Then as a loving Lord gave proper instruction.

Secondly, all you seem capable of is lying about others and taking scripture out of context.

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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I cannot think why people seem not to care about living a life that is righteous in the sight of God.
 
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OneOfHis said:
1. People have listened already.
2. They reject what YOU believe scripture is saying.
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All a red x means is you disagree with a post.
Stop making such a big deal about it people!

If a red x is the only thing you'll 'hear' from somebody, then so be it.
 
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Red X ing is all I can do when people refuse to listen and worse still reject scripture.
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Like you do?

I must admit. When it comes to people who does not practice what they preach you are the first to come to mind
 
OneOfHis

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Judges1318 said:
All a red x means is you disagree with a post.
Stop making such a big deal about it people!

If a red x is the only thing you'll 'hear' from somebody, then so be it.
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Why quote me and say that? I never said it was a big deal.


Are you asking for red x's?
 
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