Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Cherry picking. You know full well there are lots of scriptures that warn believers against committing apostasy. In the next chapter we are warned that whoever sins is of the devil. Now you know. So do not ever sin, although your cult will tell you it is impossible, which has to be a lie, or we would not be warned against sinning.

1Jn 3:4-8 KJV
(4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
(6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

By the way, the people who left were not expelled from the church, they went out of their own accord and there are lots of people who do that, but that is not to say they don't believe.

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Nope

just using the word

the Bible can not contradict

if joh said they were never saved.then all the passages you give must not say they can lose salvation.

that would make them contradict, and the bible unreliable

ps. you admit you still sin, by your. Own account, you must be of the devil, (using your interpretation of that passage)

 

[PS]

For such people "slippery grace/difficult burden perseverance/self preservation" IS a big part of THEIR Gospel. They seem to believe that Christ merely "initially" saved them, but now it's up to them to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" and "keep themselves saved" through their own personal endeavor and difficult burden of "self preservation." So pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and "keep themselves saved" (many believers will fail, but not them) is their boast.

None of that is necessary if we stay firm. Once Saved Always Saved, provided we run the course.

 

[gb9]

None of that is necessary if we stay firm. Once Saved Always Saved, provided we run the course.

* as long as one BELIEVES.

belief in Christ is all it takes to be saved. the N.T. says this over and over, and you salvation losers just refuse to see it..

 

[Lightskin]

OSAS is false doctrine

Actually Catholicism is false doctrine.

 

[PS]

* as long as one BELIEVES.

belief in Christ is all it takes to be saved. the N.T. says this over and over, and you salvation losers just refuse to see it..

I have never said any differently.

 

[PS]

Actually Catholicism is false doctrine.

All people ever do on here is to find fault with others. It needs to stop. If you are going to find fault, explain why.

 

[PS]

Something else. We know God is not a revolving door, but PEOPLE ARE.

Dog walk time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Red Xing someone’s post does not help your case
try proving someone wrong with discussion

 

[mailmandan]

Actually Catholicism is false doctrine.

The Catholic Church Teaches Salvation by Works - http://www.justforcatholics.org/a14.htm

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All people ever do on here is to find fault with others. It needs to stop. If you are going to find fault, explain why.

I guess you think your innocent if this

 

[Lightskin]

No, it is continued belief in the one who grants and maintains your salvation.
Faith/ believing is only a conduit.
Believing, in and of itself has zero power to save a person. It only gives you access to the one who can.

According to you, the One who grants and maintains salvation actually doesn’t maintain salvation if it’s the believer that maintains his/her salvation. SMH

 

[PS]

Before I go out, here is something to ponder. In Romans 3:24-25 we read,

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Salvation covers past sins, but then we are told to sin no more.

 

[PS]

I guess you think your innocent if this

My motivation for being here is to teach. Then you come with others, and are obstructive.

 

[PS]

Red Xing someone’s post does not help your case
try proving someone wrong with discussion

Red X ing is all I can do when people refuse to listen and worse still reject scripture.

 

[PS]

According to you, the One who grants and maintains salvation actually doesn’t maintain salvation if it’s the believer that maintains his/her salvation. SMH

Jesus died ONCE for our sins, and we are redeemed for PAST sins. Then we are told to sin no more.

 

[OneOfHis]

Red X ing is all I can do when people refuse to listen and worse still reject scripture.

1. People have listened already.
2. They reject what YOU believe scripture is saying.

 

[OneOfHis]

You are my sister in Christ.


I saw earlier on my old account many of your posts.

What I saw was a lack of assurance, but I also saw many wonderful qualities that look exactly like what God is working in me (some of which you have in abundance where I need growth)


I saw you speak against eternal security

but I also saw an honest desire to know the truth....


the more ive seen from you, the more i believe we have the same Teacher

the same Father


and the same Savior and Hope in Christ

love your perspective and often short but powerful posts


(i hope now you have a more fullness of understanding specifically in regards to the promises of God that are about Him keeping His own by His power and believe you in fact do...)

another thing @CherieR I believe some of the largest issues that come with not understanding these two things

1. God will not lose one of His own, which includes all of who He has started in.


2. We are one of His.


Would be lack of peace

Lack of usefulness in areas to help others understand who our Father really is because of our own misunderstandings

Lack of ability to stand against certain false doctrines/teachers

But so long as we have a real faith in Christ...
it wouldn't be Jesus AND

"because i repented"
"because i did these good things"
"because i endured"


we would never for a second point to anything other than Him as why we should have any hope to not face a just and fitting judgement from God




..... i believe we have brothers and sisters who are still not full in assurance wether it be because they have a hard time understanding things or havent put in enough time or have had strong rooted false ideas which foggy their vision in one specific area despite many hours of study... or just fleshly doubt that they are His to begin with not seeing how much He has done already in their moments of weakness

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 3:25 (AMP) - whom God displayed publicly [before the eyes of the world] as a [life-giving] sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation (propitiation) by His blood [to be received] through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness [which demands punishment for sin], because in His forbearance [His deliberate restraint] He passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion]. This sheds some light on what is meant by PAST sins. It does not mean that ONLY our past sins are forgiven by Jesus.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Further translations of Romans 3:25 read:

ESV - whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

HCSB - God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.

NASB - whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed.

NIV - God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.

 

[OneOfHis]

Jesus died ONCE for our sins, and we are redeemed for PAST sins. Then we are told to sin no more.

Ridiculous.

If your Father caught you stealing and forgave you would He tell you to "sin a little more but not too much"?

No.

Jesus told a woman who didn't ask for forgiveness in the text "I do not condemn you" though she was caught in the act of sinning. Then as a loving Lord gave proper instruction.

Secondly, all you seem capable of is lying about others and taking scripture out of context.

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[EleventhHour]

Jesus died ONCE for our sins, and we are redeemed for PAST sins. Then we are told to sin no more.

So another one those.... if this is your dogma you are more trouble than I thought.