Not By Works
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@dcontroversal, I count you as a brother in Christ. And I count many here as brothers or sisters in Christ. I don't believe that someone who is in Christ can be taken out of him and condemned. It would not make sense. Even so, I can still have moments where I can get scared of going to hell.
I would like to know if you see me also as a sister in Christ though I may question, doubt and fear God's wrath at times.
I would like to know if you see me also as a sister in Christ though I may question, doubt and fear God's wrath at times.
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You are my sister in Christ.
I saw earlier on my old account many of your posts.
What I saw was a lack of assurance, but I also saw many wonderful qualities that look exactly like what God is working in me (some of which you have in abundance where I need growth)
I saw you speak against eternal security
but I also saw an honest desire to know the truth....
the more ive seen from you, the more i believe we have the same Teacher
the same Father
and the same Savior and Hope in Christ
love your perspective and often short but powerful posts
(i hope now you have a more fullness of understanding specifically in regards to the promises of God that are about Him keeping His own by His power and believe you in fact do...)
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For such people "slippery grace/difficult burden perseverance/self preservation" IS a big part of THEIR Gospel. They seem to believe that Christ merely "initially" saved them, but now it's up to them to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" and "keep themselves saved" through their own personal endeavor and difficult burden of "self preservation." So pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and "keep themselves saved" (many believers will fail, but not them) is their boast. 
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Cherry picking. You know full well there are lots of scriptures that warn believers against committing apostasy. It is just that you prefer to ignore them. More cherry picking. Mix-and-match your own cult. In the next chapter we are warned that whoever sins is of the devil. Now you know. So do not ever sin, although your cult will tell you it is impossible, which has to be a lie, or we would not be warned against sinning.
1Jn 3:4-8 KJV
(4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
(6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
By the way, the people who left were not expelled from the church, they went out of their own accord and there are lots of people who do that today and always have done, for all I know you may have left several churches but that is not to say they don't believe.
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1Jn 3:4-8 KJV
(4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
(6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
By the way, the people who left were not expelled from the church, they went out of their own accord and there are lots of people who do that today and always have done, for all I know you may have left several churches but that is not to say they don't believe.
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