Not By Works

There is no light for one who partakes in works salvation. There was only light for one who partakes in works to glorify God.

This is typical of weird theology and approaches to life.
The beauty of Jesus is He works in our hearts to change us, so we work to help others, because
we demonstrate the work He has done in us.

I have found people who do not love, tend to stop and give up.
The light that shines is the work Jesus has done in us, and goes to His praise because He alone
has made it possible, Halleluyah.

Jesus wants to encourage us to show this love.

I define salvation as being born into the family of God, As having everything against me, contrary to me and having those things nailed to the cross. I view salvation as having the curse of the law remeoved from me, where it cna no longer touch me, I view salvation as being sealed by the spirit, given eternal life, In all, I view salvation as having the penalty of sin (death) removed)

If you do not have ETErNAL life, and your salvation is not secure your really not saved.


Your trying to mix justification and sanctification, The topic of this thread is justification. Ie...,
This thread is about recieving salvation, Please stick to the topic. When you are talkign about recieving salvation, and someone screams works, legalism is the culprit.

Ie. We are NOT TALKING SANCTIFICATION. .


There is a HUGE problem when we try to mix justification with sanctification, in a thread where JUSTIFICATION and ONLY justification, is the topic.

I am not saying good works save us! I am not saying good works maintain or gain salvation!
A thousand times if I must say it! No! No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!No! No!


But please look carefully at my post and your response:

I wrote: "But do not works done by the power of might of Jesus bring glory to him? Isn't his works in our lives one of the greatest way the world sees His glory?"

You responded with: "No, works for the cause of maintaining or gaining salvation do not give glory to Jesus. They belittle His gift."

How did you get that "works done by the power and might of Jesus" are works that "maintain or gain salvation" ? How do "works done by the power and might of Jesus" belittle his gift?
You seem paranoid that any reference to works means that the person is doing this on his own power to get saved! I think (my opinion - ) that such a paranoia leads to a belittling of the possibility and power of God working in a person to mightily bring honor to His name!

See it doesn't feel like you're being sincere because you said this.

"but you seem to be saying that our salvation is by grace through faith and keep the works out"


In response to me saying "this thread was made to give God glory"


That is a ridiculous claim to make unless you suggested that I am saying "but keep our works out of what is needed for salvation"

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Which then would make you calling me "paranoid" insincere when you supposedly believe we are saved by grace through faith.



To me you sound like you're trying to bait me with false claims.



God gets the glory for the salvation of His childre , and that is final.

0 works get that glory.


You seem to conflate issues from my perspective.

😕



This is not a"is grace good or are works good?" thread.


We are not saved, or kept saved by works.

Wow, are YOU REALLY DECEIVED.

WE ARE THE ONES:

WHO HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN, not just enlightened.

WHO HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMED BY THE HEAVEN GIFT, not just tasted.

WHO HAVE BEEN INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, not just partakers or the splash effect of being close to HIM.

WHO HAVE CONSUMED AND FED ON THE WORD OF GOD, not just tasted.

WHO KNOW OUR DESTINY AND OUR INHERITANCE, not just know about the world to come.


Oh my, how totally Deceived you are, ABOUT WHAT IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN.

They are just CHURCH GOERS, with ONLY human ears to hear with;

BUT ABSOLUTELY NO SPIRITUAL EARS to HEAR WITH UNDERSTANDING.


I need to ask you a question now. I hope, and suspect you will know this answer.
HOWEVER TO BE SURE, I REALLY NEED TO ASK:

HOW YOU WERE BORN AGAIN and HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS REAL?

I am not asking for verses, I am asking for your personal testimony.

No I believe in repentance and the infinite value of the Blood of Christ.

?? You are surely not understanding what I am trying to say - and it seems I am not understanding you . . . probably inevitable on a forum like this!

OK - I will just leave the issue go at that without further comment -

Love you, brother,
Chester

Honestly I am disappointed in your approach...😅


How could you try to claim I am against good works?

Then call me paranoid when I say God gets the credit and glory for our salvation.....

Love you too bro... but what did you mean when you claimed it seems like I'm trying to leave works out?

Maybe that is where the misunderstanding took place...

Actually made me sad...

17 "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
18 For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
2 Cor 10

23 we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
1 Cor 1

13 you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.
Eph 1

55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15

the part I made big is why I responded in a way to say God gets the glory for salvation...

not our works


I am far from paranoid


strongly built on solid ground

and i do resent that statement as well bro


and i encourage good works every single day of my life


just not for the cause of salvation

even hated for it by people dont know God or love His ways

You tell me all I have is false doctrine, I am totally deceived, Not a true Christian, then ask me for my personal testimony? I am not sure how this approach works with others but I have discerned that would only be met with the same type of ridicule given me so far and as such, I pass.

Some are so used to impact exaggeration, there are no limits to what they can declare.

When Jesus says let your yes be yes and your no be no, this is about simple interactions and
commitments.
Judgements of whether someone knows Jesus's love and cleansing in their hearts, and rubbishes
all their experience and interactions, is such a all encompassing condemnation, it is staggering.

Maybe if one had a sword in ones hand and saw a dead body in front of one, would the impact of the
words come home. Unfortunately when emotions are the only tempering information and seeing
another in totality changes what we say. Where is the love? Where is the gentleness?

Jesus did not break a reed
20 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory.
Matt 12

Who is our Lord and who is our example?

Yes, if done with a heart that indeed glorifies Jesus and not one’s own self-serving pride.

I admire your inspiration and enthusiasm.
It is though like putting your arm into the fire, and these war hardened souls will give back the same.

I find myself more concerned about how people handle the Holy Spirit talking to their hearts than the
words or interactions. These verses have perplexed believers since they were written, and there is probably
only personal resolution. I have been amazed as I have gained insight into people and the Lords word and
His intent and mans response, it becomes clearer. But there is the problem. A lot of these words are for
the wise and not those torn by distress this way or that in their faith. God bless you

If those who have fallen hurt and wounded in their lives, the path back to Christ can seem unclear.
But it is always encouraging to hear the Lord drawing others to Him through turmoil and difficulty
before they go to meet Him. Praise the Lord we see through a glass darkly, or we would probably more
harsh than we could imagine.

Hi brother! Chester was saying works have no bearing on salvation but they matter because they glorify God. I have to agree with him but I am open to correction if indeed I am seeing things incorrectly.

I am definitely careful, my brother. Thanks as always for looking out for me and others.

I give all glory to God, as does everyone who understands our salvation is a free, irrevocable gift that we receive for having faith in Jesus. We have no need for any form of nudge.

There is NO GLORY going back to GOD, if HE only made us just Biological Robots. HE Declares the END from the BEGINNING. HE KNOWS EVERY DECISION WE WILL MAKE IN OUR ENTIRE LIVES, HE KNOWS FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH. That is what ALL KNOWING MEANS. WE CAN CHOOSE TO GLORIFY GOD BY OUR RIGHTEOUS DECISIONS.

Leviticus 10:3 (NKJV)
3 And Moses said to Aaron, "This is what the LORD spoke, saying: 'By those who come near Me I must be regarded as holy; And before all the people I must be glorified.' " So Aaron held his peace.

Isaiah 60:21 (NASB)
21 "Then all your people will be righteous; They will possess the land forever, The branch of My planting, The work of My hands, That I may be glorified.

Isaiah 49:3 (NKJV)
3 "And He said to me, 'You are My servant, O Israel, In whom I will be glorified.'

Haggai 1:8 (HCSB)
8 Go up into the hills, bring down lumber, and build the house. Then I will be pleased with it and be glorified,” says the LORD.

John 15:8-9 (ESV)
8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.

1 Peter 4:11 (NRSV)
11 Whoever speaks must do so as one speaking the very words of God; whoever serves must do so with the strength that God supplies, so that God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

One of the Main Purposed of GOD, if not the MAJOR PURPOSE of GOD, is HE MUST BE GLORIFIED.
Like I said, there is NO GLORY if HE made us biological robots.

Salvation of those who do not walk with Jesus.
It is like a group of friends who do not talk, do not agree, but are in a room together,
yet they are as antagonistic towards each other as are enemies wanting to kill.

Jesus said something so much more profound.

35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13

This is truly profound, if you have ever tried to live in community, you will begin to know
this is no idle aspiration, that truly needs the healing and anointing of God to achieve.

Who doesn’t love?