Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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I believed the gospel of salvation. I repented of my sinful ways.
I obeyed the commandments of Jesus as my Lord and Saviour …
> I submerged myself in the waters of baptism confessing my faith > I sought to be baptized in the Holy Spirit by asking Jesus to
receive the Holy Spirit > I spoke in a new God-given tongue when I was filled with the Holy Spirit > I pray everyday in my new tongue to activate the power and purpose of the Holy Spirit within me.
I obeyed the commandments of Jesus as my Lord and Saviour …
> I submerged myself in the waters of baptism confessing my faith > I sought to be baptized in the Holy Spirit by asking Jesus to
receive the Holy Spirit > I spoke in a new God-given tongue when I was filled with the Holy Spirit > I pray everyday in my new tongue to activate the power and purpose of the Holy Spirit within me.
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NO this parable is about Christian discipleship in which "virgins" (the church) are filled with the Holy Spirit - the Holy Spirit indwells us;
there is no other way in the NT.
But as we all know not everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit and prays in tongues remains faithful.
In the parable of the sower and the seed 3 out of the 4 persons who receive the word of God do not make it.
Many depart and leave the faith and eventually deny the Holy Spirit and stop praying in tongues. Their lamps (bodies) lose their
oil and become empty; they become carnal.
But when the world is on fire rather than seeking to repent they will come to those who are faithful to seek prayers and protection
from the faithful.
Matthew 7:21-23 speaks to this as well; describing Spirit-filled Christians (with a clear reference to Mark 16:17-18) who do not endure;
who do not keep the faith; who do not remain unblemished and purified through the power and work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:23
there is no other way in the NT.
But as we all know not everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit and prays in tongues remains faithful.
In the parable of the sower and the seed 3 out of the 4 persons who receive the word of God do not make it.
Many depart and leave the faith and eventually deny the Holy Spirit and stop praying in tongues. Their lamps (bodies) lose their
oil and become empty; they become carnal.
But when the world is on fire rather than seeking to repent they will come to those who are faithful to seek prayers and protection
from the faithful.
Matthew 7:21-23 speaks to this as well; describing Spirit-filled Christians (with a clear reference to Mark 16:17-18) who do not endure;
who do not keep the faith; who do not remain unblemished and purified through the power and work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:23
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One thing I will try to do is to be "real" in my answers to you. By that, I mean I will attempt to be very open and honest, and try to avoid defensiveness. That also means (at least in this case) I will share some concepts that I understand to be so, but don't claim to have the ability to explain how or why it is that way.. 
. I'll do my best to explain but when you ask for more detail than I currently can make available, I may end up saying "Hey, this is something you'll need to pray about." (and I do hope that you will PRAY about them). That doesn't mean you can't grill me. Just do it in friendship rather than persecution.
That was longer than expected, so I'll start answering in next post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
. I'll do my best to explain but when you ask for more detail than I currently can make available, I may end up saying "Hey, this is something you'll need to pray about." (and I do hope that you will PRAY about them). That doesn't mean you can't grill me. Just do it in friendship rather than persecution. That was longer than expected, so I'll start answering in next post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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One thing I will try to do is to be "real" in my answers to you. By that, I mean I will attempt to be very open and honest, and try to avoid defensiveness. That also means (at least in this case) I will share some concepts that I understand to be so, but don't claim to have the ability to explain how or why it is that way.. . I'll do my best to explain but when you ask for more detail than I currently can make available, I may end up saying "Hey, this is something you'll need to pray about." (and I do hope that you will PRAY about them). That doesn't mean you can't grill me. Just do it in friendship rather than persecution.
That was longer than expected, so I'll start answering in next post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
. I'll do my best to explain but when you ask for more detail than I currently can make available, I may end up saying "Hey, this is something you'll need to pray about." (and I do hope that you will PRAY about them). That doesn't mean you can't grill me. Just do it in friendship rather than persecution. That was longer than expected, so I'll start answering in next post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
But don't confuse that expression of my perspective with "grilling" you, and PERSECUTION? Really!?. Or, don't think that I haven't or continue, to pray on a whole host of matters.
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The point that I am questioning in this parable is that Jesus states that He never knew them. He did that as well in Matthew 7:23 that you quote. If they were truly converted believers it would seem that Jesus' comment would not be that they were never known. It would be an inaccurate statement.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
First let me answer concerning our fleshly birth and life. Then I'll try to answer about the spiritual life in a later post. (perhaps not for several hours, or another day). OK, here goes:
I once asked God "What IS the purpose of this life?" because I was trying to find additional challenging questions to ask him. I expected it would be months or years before I started to receive the answers. But almost immediately he said "It is for man to CHOOSE." (as in, it is for a man to make his choices)
In other words, man could not make choices until/unless he was alive.
So God gave us life. And with it, the ability to choose.
We didn't bring this to pass. We didn't even have the opportunity to give our input on whether or not we wanted it to come to pass...because something has to be ALIVE to have a preference.
So he started the process by giving us LIFE.
This is the fleshy birth (or in terms of Adam, creation). We had no say in this obtaining of life. But we were given life.
Since then we have choice(s). What will we do with life? How will we use life? How will we treat others with life? Do we even like life? Do we want more? Etc, etc.
And in simple terms, we are provided avenues to both greater life and less life. (eternal life...and death) Deut. 30:19
Some choose greater life (seeking it out until they 'find' God and God shows them how more is obtained). Some choose less life (trying to hide from life, cursing life, and perhaps even killing themselves). Some choose to pretend there is no choice (choosing only to take advantage of the piece of life that was thrust upon them until it ends)
We are given this ability to choose until the end of the choosing time....until the end of our fleshly lives. Then the test is done, the choices are tallied, and the consequences of those choices are given. (think Judgement day)
As I mentioned earlier, this only covers the idea that our first birth was without our choice, and was done in order to GIVE us choice (regarding further life). But I need to think on something else for a while.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I once asked God "What IS the purpose of this life?" because I was trying to find additional challenging questions to ask him. I expected it would be months or years before I started to receive the answers. But almost immediately he said "It is for man to CHOOSE." (as in, it is for a man to make his choices)
In other words, man could not make choices until/unless he was alive.
So God gave us life. And with it, the ability to choose.
We didn't bring this to pass. We didn't even have the opportunity to give our input on whether or not we wanted it to come to pass...because something has to be ALIVE to have a preference.
So he started the process by giving us LIFE.
This is the fleshy birth (or in terms of Adam, creation). We had no say in this obtaining of life. But we were given life.
Since then we have choice(s). What will we do with life? How will we use life? How will we treat others with life? Do we even like life? Do we want more? Etc, etc.
And in simple terms, we are provided avenues to both greater life and less life. (eternal life...and death) Deut. 30:19
Some choose greater life (seeking it out until they 'find' God and God shows them how more is obtained). Some choose less life (trying to hide from life, cursing life, and perhaps even killing themselves). Some choose to pretend there is no choice (choosing only to take advantage of the piece of life that was thrust upon them until it ends)
We are given this ability to choose until the end of the choosing time....until the end of our fleshly lives. Then the test is done, the choices are tallied, and the consequences of those choices are given. (think Judgement day)
As I mentioned earlier, this only covers the idea that our first birth was without our choice, and was done in order to GIVE us choice (regarding further life). But I need to think on something else for a while.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I understand this to be an expression of the personal relationship that the true worshipper have in Christ Jesus by the indwelling
Holy Spirit - the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of adoption that allows us to become sons and daughters of our Father in heaven.
Being Spirit filled and praying in tongues is a personal relationship with Jesus. It is far more than simply believing or confessing with
one's mouth.
Jesus in me and I in Jesus. And this is so very important because when I think wrong Jesus, through the indwelling Spirit grieves me.
When I am carnal my prayers are hindered. When I repent and submit to the Spirit my prayers are honoured.
Jesus is a real person closely involved in my life to whom I seek counsel and with whom I share my life with.
There are no secrets from him.
But some people divorce Jesus and reneg on their vows of faithfulness and over time Jesus is no longer a spouse intimately
involved in their life. He in effect becomes a stranger to them.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white:
for they are worthy.
5 He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:
"I never knew you" is the antithesis of "well done thou good and faithful servant."
1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Corinthians 4:
Holy Spirit - the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of adoption that allows us to become sons and daughters of our Father in heaven.
Being Spirit filled and praying in tongues is a personal relationship with Jesus. It is far more than simply believing or confessing with
one's mouth.
Jesus in me and I in Jesus. And this is so very important because when I think wrong Jesus, through the indwelling Spirit grieves me.
When I am carnal my prayers are hindered. When I repent and submit to the Spirit my prayers are honoured.
Jesus is a real person closely involved in my life to whom I seek counsel and with whom I share my life with.
There are no secrets from him.
But some people divorce Jesus and reneg on their vows of faithfulness and over time Jesus is no longer a spouse intimately
involved in their life. He in effect becomes a stranger to them.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white:
for they are worthy.
5 He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:
"I never knew you" is the antithesis of "well done thou good and faithful servant."
1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Corinthians 4:
The demons believe they confess it with their mouths.
How much more? Far more than then simply believing or confessing with one's mouth as in the sky the limit, just beleive?
How much more all the way back to the doctrine of tongues as to the foundation of God brining prophecy is a new manner called tongues .
Why does he mock those that mock him refusing to confirm what the sign really points to? Or is it far more than that also?
I will offer the foundation Isaiah 28:11-13and the new tesetment supplement defining the law of tongues. Isaiah 28 sets the tone of those who after all God has shown them they still refuse to hear what God says.
it can get confusing at time who he is speking to . I will add a lilte cplor hopefuly to make it easy just what the sign does confirm .
Isaiah 28:11-13 King James Version (KJV) For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken
1 Corinthians 14:20-22 King James Version (KJV) Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a "sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
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How much more? Far more than then simply believing or confessing with one's mouth as in the sky the limit, just beleive?
How much more all the way back to the doctrine of tongues as to the foundation of God brining prophecy is a new manner called tongues .
Why does he mock those that mock him refusing to confirm what the sign really points to? Or is it far more than that also?
I will offer the foundation Isaiah 28:11-13and the new tesetment supplement defining the law of tongues. Isaiah 28 sets the tone of those who after all God has shown them they still refuse to hear what God says.
it can get confusing at time who he is speking to . I will add a lilte cplor hopefuly to make it easy just what the sign does confirm .
Isaiah 28:11-13 King James Version (KJV) For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken
1 Corinthians 14:20-22 King James Version (KJV) Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a "sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
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Well I'm heading off now to a building where the church shall come together to follow and obey the word of God …
after communion we shall enjoy the gifts of the Holy Spirit and partake of three gifts of speaking out in an unknown tongue,
with each gift being immediately followed by a gift of interpretation.
Then up to three prophets shall exercise the gift of prophecy.
God speaking directly to his church (the body of Christ) so as to reprove, edify and encourage us to stay on course and to finish
the race.
It is a high calling.
after communion we shall enjoy the gifts of the Holy Spirit and partake of three gifts of speaking out in an unknown tongue,
with each gift being immediately followed by a gift of interpretation.
Then up to three prophets shall exercise the gift of prophecy.
God speaking directly to his church (the body of Christ) so as to reprove, edify and encourage us to stay on course and to finish
the race.
It is a high calling.
The fascinating feature in this parable of the 10 virgins is that it is one that only appears in the gospel of Matthew, this is despite the fact that Matthew mark Luke are known as sypnotic gospels.
If there is one key feature of Matthew gospel, it is written specifically to the Jews, more than any of the other 3. Thus it is very likely that, the body of Christ, which is the church comprising of Jews and Gentiles, is not mentioned at all in Matthew and is therefore not the subject in this parable.
Thus, I would propose that this parable is referring only to the Jews. At the rapture, they will find that half of them will be gone together with the gentile church, because they believe in Jesus, known as messianic Jews. The other half will remain on earth to face the great tribulation.
If there is one key feature of Matthew gospel, it is written specifically to the Jews, more than any of the other 3. Thus it is very likely that, the body of Christ, which is the church comprising of Jews and Gentiles, is not mentioned at all in Matthew and is therefore not the subject in this parable.
Thus, I would propose that this parable is referring only to the Jews. At the rapture, they will find that half of them will be gone together with the gentile church, because they believe in Jesus, known as messianic Jews. The other half will remain on earth to face the great tribulation.