Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[RickyZ]

LOL I don't think so, everyone who claims to be spiritual says that LOL. And from your post, you lack in that area too. The Holy Spirit does not give to a person the gift, He uses the person in a gift for the betterment of all the body read 1cor 12. I do not claim I have a gift, I say that I have been used in the Gifts and open to all the ones the Holy Spirit desires to use me in.

You really don't know what you are talking about. I have nothing to do with JW's your so-called gift of distinguishing the spirits must be turned off.

My understanding is that most of the gifts are given THRU you, not TO you.

 

[notuptome]

I love how you like to remove the words of Jesus which are authoritative and interject your own allegorical interpretation using PS51:10 LOL. That one verse overrides the words of Jesus He said in Luke 11? Funny LOl you have been corrected twice in one day.

I'm not overriding anything. I'm using scripture to interpret scripture. I'm using proper exegesis not trying to make it appear to support something it does not support.

You are so intent on making this personal you cannot perceive the truth. Pity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[shittim]

We know the disciples were believers.
We know the disciples responded just as Isaiah prophesied at the arrest of Jesus, the sheep scattered after the shepherd was struck, yet after pentecost they would go to a horrific death before they would deny our Savior.
So we know from scripture there are separate imparting and gifts given.

 

[RickyZ]

Why would I get angry with you?

This seems to me to be a works Gospel seeping in with your post. So it's OUR enduring, and NOT Jesus Christ that saves us?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wish that in addition to being able to ignore someone so you cant see their posts, we would be able to also block them from seeing ours.

I guess so LOL!

I think a few others have expressed that in the tech thread or possibly misc

there are people (well 1 actually) right here in this thread that should be banned and should have been banned a long time ago

to another galaxy if possible

and just because this one is funny and you have to know a little history:

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Why would I get angry with you?

This seems to me to be a works Gospel seeping in with your post. So it's OUR enduring, and NOT Jesus Christ that saves us?

yeah

we all know he is not saying that all

love that fresh line from the not by works thread

so tricky too. it's such a cool way of making a statement of accusation while pretending to ask a serious question

well done

 

[7seasrekeyed]

God lost no Power, but not all what is taught comes from God.

and not all that is from God is taught

as you and several others have prevailed upon us by example

you begin to sound like a bot

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Please tell me what "participation" you had in your physical OR Spiritual Birth? The Lord and your parents determined your physical Birth and I think THIS passage says EXACTLY who is responsible for your Spiritual Birth:

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, NOR of the WILL of the flesh, NOR of the WILL of man, but of GOD..

this sounds like edgy Calvinism with an attempt at biblical parallels without the actual parallel

first of all WE receive Christ so it does not happen because we have no choice

this might be an attempt to copy what Jesus said to Nicodemus?

but it just falls really really flat

we have to respond to God, we have to agree with what He says

no one forces us.

as many as received Him does not mean we have no choice

we have no choice in physical birth but we do play a part in spiritual birth. God is not a puppet master

 

[PennEd]

Did you mean to say something Ricky?

 

[notuptome]

Did you mean to say something Ricky?

I think he wants us to know he is better than the rest of us. I think he needs his own website and he certainly has his own bible well under way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I'm not overriding anything. I'm using scripture to interpret scripture. I'm using proper exegesis not trying to make it appear to support something it does not support.

You are so intent on making this personal you cannot perceive the truth. Pity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

wrong! you used PS 51 to discredit what Jesus said in Luke 11. You are not using proper exegesis. You have demonstrated greatly the example of improper interpretation and what is known as Eisegesis. When you remove the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ and try to use an Old Testament writing like PS 51 to show Jesus did not say to ask for the Holy Spirit, is ridiculous. Just be thankful the Lord Corrected you and used me to do it.

God Bless.

 

[CS1]

I think he wants us to know he is better than the rest of us. I think he needs his own website and he certainly has his own bible well under way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you can learn something from PennED and Ricky. They had better respectful dialog than you could ever display.

 

[RickyZ]

you can learn something from PennED and Ricky. They had better respectful dialog than you could ever display.

It's a fluke

 

[RickyZ]

Did you mean to say something Ricky?

About..?

 

[RickyZ]

Thought I had deleted that!

 

[PennEd]

you can learn something from PennED and Ricky. They had better respectful dialog than you could ever display.

Kind of you to say. Funny how when we talk Politics I'm way less able to allow for a differing opinion! lol

 

[wolfwint]

and not all that is from God is taught

as you and several others have prevailed upon us by example

you begin to sound like a bot

What is a bot?
If you mean that it is taught in the bible that speaking in tongues is the evidence ore proof that someone has received ore is filled with the Holy Spirit then you must be able to show me where this was taught in the bible.

 

[Wansvic]

Of course you do not get the meaning of the passage because you come to it with a preconceived answer. Jesus is promising that the disciples will receive what they ask of the Father when they pray to Him of their needs. The gift of the Holy Spirit is given to those who are saved when they are saved.

You refuse instruction as if you have no need of sound doctrine. I must pity you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Luke 11:13
...how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

The Holy Spirit is a gift from God.
Spiritual gifts flow from the Holy Spirit.

See the difference?

 

[Wansvic]

Acts 2:1-4
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This experience was recorded in at least 3 and possibly 4 places in scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)

Yet, interestingly, people still question when and how the Holy Ghost is received.

"Hath God actually said...?"

 

[wolfwint]

Acts 2:1-4
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This experience was recorded in at least 3 and possibly 4 places in scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)

Yet, interestingly, people still question when and how the Holy Ghost is received.

"Hath God actually said...?"

Maby, you are mislead in interpreting the from you mentioned acts verses?