Not By Works

and me too!

I will go on the record to say that anyone who claims "salvation must be earned" as Fran has, is lost.

It could be. I knew a forum member who divided groups into sides for debate. That person could be changing sides even yet just to keep the debate going.

But, that was another forum.

and to back this up.

Is their faith in god? or saves, or in self, who helps save..

One can believe all you want, but unless you have faith. Last I heard, your not saved.

Amen

I am just going off past dealings.. Once she collects her clan Its on,, They try to get people mad so they can say stuff which will get them banned. I have lost a few close friends who fell for their tactics.. Unlike her though, they take their punishment and walk..

thats why these people should not be enabled in my view, if they come back, we need to let them know we will not stand for their sin.. Take away their audience and they will leave. Who wants to talk to nobody?

Says it all right there!

Well, sadly one learns a lot the hard way when one follows the wrong teachers and ends up like a lost sheep (still justified ) in "BRAMBLES"




Jesus is indeed the faithful shepherd....all glory to Him!!!

Then it's not really under submission, is it?

I'd post the definition of the word, but you don't like that. Since you define words as you feel they should be defined.

Posting scripture is getting people mad?
I wonder why?

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You are clearly talking about yourself.

Now we are the sheep of God?

Just to think about..

Hebrew to English

Gal: 2: 11 Furthermore when Kefa came to Antioch, I opposed him publicly, because he was clearly in the wrong. For prior to the arrival of certain people from the community headed by Ya'akov, he had been eating with the Gentile believers; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he was afraid of the faction who favored circumcising Gentile believers. And the other Jewish believers became hypocrites along with him, so that even BarNabba was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not walking a straight path, keeping in line with the truth of the Good News, I said to Kefa, right in front of everyone, "if you who are a Jew, live like a goy and not like a Jew, why are you forcing the Goyim to live like Jews? We are Jews by birth, not so called Goyishe sinners; even so, we have come to realize that a person is not declared righteous by God on the ground of his legalistic observance of Torah commands, but through the Messiah Yeshua's trusting faithfulness. Therefore, we too have put our trust in Messiah Yeshua and become faithful to Him in order that we might be declared righteous on he ground of the Messiahs trusting faithfulness and not on the ground of our legalistic observance of Torah commands. For on the ground of legalistic observance of Torah commands, no one will be declared righteous.

We are saved by Yeshua's trusting faithfulness, and being one with Him, we too have trusting faithfulness.

7,50€/hour!

In a nutshell?

No.

There is a bit more to it as it is the 3rd parable in a trilogy.
Lost Sheep, Lost Coin being the other 2.
And we must remember the context, Jesus eating with sinners and the Pharisees complaining about it.

Sheep and coin sought out.

Prodical son returns.
If he had lost his salvation or got the point of losing it he would not care about it at all.

Interesting that he is not sought out, but the Father is waiting, and sees him from far off, then runs to him (which was not common practice)

So the prodical has gone astray and is now on his knees.

Does this relate to the lost (non believers) or believers who have gone astray?
Either way does it matter?

Not really because all have repented and returned to the Father.

The fact that the father had been watching and waiting also indicates that the father knew the son would return.

The fact they return is evidence they have not lost their salvation.

Though there will be those who teach they have.
But given the 3 parables that cannot be the case.
Lost found, lost found, came to senses and returns.

What's interesting are those who say the Prodigal started as a son, who wandered away and stopped being a son, then came back and was a son again.

The Multiple Regenerations fallacy.

Not a bad price but I deal in dollars. lol A plane ticket would wipe me out.

(unless you can drive a tractor. ) lol Do you like hot weather?

thank you bill i hope it didnt sound like i was assuming anything.... (if it did i am sorry) i just wanted to hear you speak on it....


i value your perspective a lot

.... even when we often disagreed you have been nothing but genuine towards me since day one


God bless you bro

This is a foundational ........One is saved by coming to God knowing one cannot save themselves ie...apart from works.

Those are His terms.

If we have different/wrong terms then we have not really entered into the covenant??

You ask away.
Never feel worried to ask.
I'd much rather that way

i added an A and B to make it easier for me to respond


A) I do know what belief means and what it means to believe. Do you?

B) I do know what the law is.... but you don't seem to understand what it is for....


1. How much obedience does your definition of belief require?


2. You believe your salvation depends on how well you uphold the commandments? Would you share with me what you believe the cut off point to be?