Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

It's not about eternal security...because I know God wants me to be with Him forever.
It's about ME choosing to believe in God and having faith in Him.
God wants me to be saved, but it is all about what I want (do I want to believe in God, accept God, have faith in God)...
If I choose I do not want anything to do with God, God cannot GO AGAINST MY WILL!!

God can go against your will - He can do anything - but what would that gain Him? He wants your heart, not just you serving Him as a slave - He will woo and woo and love and love some more to capture your heart and your will.

AMEN, and my point exactly!!

Thank you for sharing us your story.

Unlike us, it really amazes me to see little children, how quickly they can say sorry and after being beaten or punished, how they easily forget and goes back to a loving relationship with you.

What I learned from this parable is that our merciful, just and loving God hears us whenever we ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed. (Matthew 6:9-15, 1 john 5:14)

As servants of God who were justified by His Grace and mercy through FAITH in the One whom He has sent to suffer and DIE on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins, our LORD and Savoir Jesus Christ, it is our DUTY to fear Him and OBEY His commandments.(Ecclesiastes 12:13) And His command is to LOVE GOD and our brothers.

.. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another AS HE COMMANDED US. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:21-24

Those who believes in the Son of God must LOVE one another.

...We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God MUST also love his brother. 1 John 4:19-21

...This is how we know what love is:Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.1 John 3:16-18

"LOVE IS WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS." 2 john 1:6

If anyone CLAIMS to be saved by Grace through FAITH but does not OBEY God who gave us these commandments to LOVE, will that person be saved?

If we do not FORGIVE those who sinned against us, will God forgive us our sins? And if God will not FORGIVE us our sins, will we be saved?

To FORGIVE those who sinned against us is part of loving one another AS HE COMMANDED US TO OBEY.

So if anyone OBEYS GOD'S COMMANDMENTS and not just CLAIM to have FAITH ALONE, will he not be saved.

"As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.2 Corinthians 6:1, Jude 1:4
... but HUMBLY accept the WORD planted in you." James 1:21

and...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

One of the biggest problems with words on a page....everyone assumes they know something....you can lose the exclamation marks and then show me where I said for sure that Peter did not repent....and people weep daily over many errors, sins and or evil yet without repentance.....

Because remittance is not forgiveness. I agree there is no forgiveness without the blood of Jesus Christ. So? There is no walk of sanctification without the blood of Jesus Christ. There is no being golorified without the blood of Jesus Christ.

No, what I am teaching is (1 John 1:9). You keep confusing justification with sanctification. I have been very clear that this is about your sanctification. It has nothing to do with your eternal life. That is secured. It does however, affect your walk here. So, no, I am not putting Christ back on the Cross.

Yes, we need to repent if we sinned against God. I have never indicated that we are condemned because we need to confess our sins. You are reading that in. Yes, God remembers our sins no more as He has dealt with them. That doesn't mean He doesn't know when you're sinning. He does. And He has given us the confession of our sins as a way to restore our walk with Him.

On this note of 'repentance', what do you do when God does not allow you to repent? Isn't (Heb. 6:1-6) clear that God may not allow it. (6:3) "And this will we do, if God permit," (4-6) "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened...if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance...." What now?

Quantrill

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That is a pathetic accusation when you take away G-d's authority to...judge...after our earthly death...by declaring we can declare ourselves ...OSAS,,,,saved...when in fact the Bible teaches we are ...born again...while on this earth.

How can you....?...... I doubt G-d is very happy with you usurping His authority.

Well let me help.

If you do not yet believe, repent and say yes to God. Recieve him and you will recieve the right to be called gods child

If you have believed in him, then trust that what he says about his children is true.

No one stops believing a person unless that person continually lets them down. God will never let you down, so if you really have faiht in him, you will never lose faith. The fact if you think you can shoudl make you wonder if you trust him at all..

If he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it till the end. We are to put zero confidence in our flesh .When we do deny Him in unbelief no faith. He will deny working in our heart and giving us His Sabbath rest . But in the end of the matter again if he has begun the good work he will finfish it represneting a work he perform in us.

2 Timothy 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV)

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers;

I have not looked at the last part of that verse. What do you think the meaning is as to "subverting of the hearers"?

Yes! Paul talks about this here:

2 Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

two kinds of sorrows there!

The word in the greek is katastrophe, The word probably looks familiar. It means to destroy or subvert or to severely damage

I think the author is telling us not to fight (Strive) about words or arguing about foolish things which do not bring about gain for ourselves, but causes damage to the ones who are listening to the foolish disutes about non essentials.

And example I can think of is the earths age, when people get so heated in discusions with peole who do not believe as they do. And start to be seriously divided. it not nly causes no prophit or gain to the ones arging, but can destroy or be a catastrophe to the people listening who do not know God. Possibly causing them to walk away and never come back.

LOL,
I am generalizing here. And No, I cannot see myself ever losing hope, faith, trust in God.

The key is knowing that as a Jew 2,000 years ago before Christ came onto the scene, Peter was already saved through the LAW and yearly sin offering. So Peter already knew what it was to have your sins forgiven through burnt offerings. After being with Christ, Peter would have transitioned to understanding God wanted personal relationships. But at the time he denied Christ, he would have always known to repent via the LAW.

The bolded is false...NO one was saved that way ever......O.T. believers looked forward in faith to the cross....sorry...law keeping drivel and sacrifical animals did not save one soul.............

Yes, they had their hopes upon the one day coming Messiah, indeed!!

And I see what you're doing by adding the shed BLOOD of Christ. But, from Moses to the prophets, they were indeed saved. David confirms that within the Book of Psalms. After all, the LAW was for them. Christ opened the doorway for the Gentiles.

Where do you get this idea that God is waiting for you to ask for forgiveness to be good with Him again (i.e., parental forgiveness)? Where in the NT epistles of Paul, for example, do you see any mention of what would be an extremely important doctrine (to restore fellowship through sin confession)? In all of these epistles so much emphasis is placed upon our walk, walking in the Spirit, and who we are in Christ (as children of God, redeemed, forgiven, etc) and how it is we are dead to sin and alive unto God. No mention in our walk about the confession of sin to receive forgiveness, on a fellowship level.

Where I believe you err, is that what you assume is a transaction by which your confession grants you forgiveness is that confession grants you transparency, and permits the Lord to let you know He forgives you (not because of your confession) but because you are forgiven in Christ. I know, you're screaming right now about sanctification, and fellowship but such a teaching is contradictory to the reconciliation that Christ purchased through His blood. He tore the veil in two, no barrier between man and God.

Sin cannot be a barrier between you and God, because it has been remitted. It may need addressing, especially if its of a habitual nature hindering progress towards your destiny, and revealing your ignorance to the victory God has granted you under grace. The Lord wants the best for us, we are after all His children. He will chastise so that we may develop character. Yet, I have no qualms of being transparent before God as it is a fellowship. However, we, the Lord and I, are reconciled and no sin robs me of what Christ has purchased for me through His suffering. The Lord isn't waiting for me to ask for forgiveness so that He can speak to me, He will just speak to me and what needs addressing will be addressed. He knows when I am sorry in my heart, He knows us through and through.

Strange you ask where I get the idea of a daily confessing of sins for the forgiveness of sins when (1 John 1:9) is staring you in the face. I gave you other verses before that you did not respond to. Remember? In the Lords prayer, (Matt. 6:11), Jesus taught his disciples to pray 'forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. This is a daily prayer. 'give us this day our daily bread'.

I also gave you the perfect example from Jesus Christ in (John 13:4-10). I see you did not pay attention to it. In these passages Jesus Christ is washing the disciples feet. They are disciples of his, and are already saved, except Judas. Peter rejected this idea of Jesus washing his dirty feet. (13:8) Jesus told him that if can't wash his feet then Peter will have no part with Him. (13:9) To which Peter replied, wash all of me. (13:9) To which Christ replied, no you have already been washed and are clean. You need only to wash your feet. (13:10) "Jesus saith unto him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet...."

This speaks to the daily cleansing as the believer walks in the world. He is saved, washed, but in his walk in this world he is stained with the dirt and evil of this world which involves his own sins also. He needs daily to wash his feet, or rather to have Jesus Christ wash his feet.

This is no new teaching. Paul said in (Eph. 5:25-26) "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word'. See the same order. Christ gave himself for it. Washed completely. That He might cleanse it. Washing of the feet daily. Just as (1 John 1:9) says. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

You say your sin may need addressing. Well, that is what I have been saying. That is what (1 John 1:9) and the other verses I have given are saying. Why not believe them? You say the Lord knows what is in your heart. So what? He knows but wants you to confess it. It is for your benefit, not his. Why pray at all? The Lord knows. Why repent? The Lord knows.

Concerning repentance I see you ignored my question. What do you do when God doesn't allow you to repent? (Heb. 6:3,6)

Quantrill

They were not saved by the sacrificial system and or any law keeping drivel <--Hebrews/Romans..........your dualistic bolded drivel above is false......and in all honesty proves you really do not know what you are talking about......

No one was ever saved by the law. The law was never given to save anyone. Sin offering NEVER caused one sin to be eternally forgiven. Unless you think the author of Hebrews is wrong..



Well know he owuld not. Because the law condemns. If Jesus did nto die. All. OT saints would be lost right along with the rest of us. Because there would be no salvation

You miss the whole point of Jesus when he returned three times asking peter if he loved him. And all three times, (a time for each denial) peter could not say he agape loved Jesus, Yet jesus still said feed his people.

Gods forgiveness is as a father forgives his child. Unconditional. The only condition required. Was the cross.. The law showed this.. Sadly, Like most jews. It seems you did not get that part either.

Thats why david declared. Sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire. He understood they could never remove sin.

Sadly. Many jews and many even today have yet to understand this basic truth.