Not Eating Pork (Biblical Reason?)

what made you think i'm a preacher?

part of my role is to parse sets and identify elements of them that do not meet certain constraints.

i shouldn't call unclean what He has declared clean. one doesn't have to be a preacher to know that

What Jewish custom was Paul talking about: circumcision (Gal. 2:7).

I'll give you a couple.

2 Ch. 18:22 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee."

Hosea 1:2 "The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD."

I know you have declared pork clean

="posthuman, post: 3753981, member: 170505"]Genesis 8:20 -- clean/unclean animals is with reference to sacrifice

AMEN.....that is all he has....false accusations and a twisted, false, man made dogma......emphasis upon the word dogma.....

Where is your evidence he didn't know the difference?

I agree, isn't Faith believing even if we don't see?

I was fully convinced God is true some 27 years ago now. And one thing I found regarding the clean and unclean issue is the amount of time I am thinking about God and His Word throughout the week when we shop, when we cook and eat.

Living among religious nations which disregard much of God's creation makes it sometimes difficult to keep my mind in check. What a blessing it is to be reminded about God in my own mind even in a shopping center. At first it was difficult, but now it is a wonderful blessing which helps us in this evil time.

Surely the wisdom of God surpasses all human knowledge.

I know you have declared pork clean, The Pope declared it clean, Constantine declared it clean. But God never did. At least in the Bible.

Let's consider the scriptures you posted.

1 Thess. 5:
20 Despise not prophesyings.

Lev. 11:
45 For I (The Word Which Became Flesh) am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Is. 65:
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me (Don't show me God's Words !!!) ; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.


Is. 66:
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.


21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Matt. 15:
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, (Rebellion, disobedience, lust) murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Matt. 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matt. 7:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In your religion, is it OK to "despise the Prophesies"? Can you show me one place in the entire Bible where God "Prophesied" that He would make Pork clean?

He told us of the Messiah, of Him Changing the Priesthood, the age of the Gentiles, but never about reversing His Creation of what is clean, or what is Holy.

If I. trusting only in the Word of God which became Flesh, work to "Prove all things" there is not even a question about His creation.

2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

"God saw all that He had made, and it was very good."

Peter is not speaking of shadows, but realities - types and figures.

Indeed surely knowing the known, the unknown and foreknown knowledge is something to be behold.
Speaking on the clean and unclean animals mentioned in the bible, it is not written out exactly as too why and I probably couldn't give reasonable answer to it but if I was to give one about the swine maybe just knowing this below might be enough that God not wanting to see humans eating swine on the account of knowing, who knows lol...

Mark 5
11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand); and were choked in the sea.

Paul was not fussing at Peter about Peter wanting to become ((re))-circumcised.

2 Ch.18:22 He causes the false prophets to make false prophecies. this is not the same as explicitly bringing a vision from Himself to His own people instructing them to sin, His own spirit deceptively speaking double-talk.

Hosea was not instructed to sin, and Hosea was not falsely told to do something God didn't really mean for him to do.


you're looking for something like Jesus telling His disciples to go out and specifically preach lies, intending for them to disobey Him and tell the truth instead. because that's what your position has God telling Peter to do in Acts 10, get up and sin, using a specific command to do something wicked, intending Peter to disobey His evil command which He spoke presumptuously and insincerely.
you're looking for God Himself lying and enticing His own children to blaspheme, requiring His followers to do what He hates and forbids them to do.

maybe i ought to put a note on the fridge reminding me that if dude ever stops in for lunch, don't bring out ham sandwiches or leavened bread...

prior to the landing of the ark and the covenant with the earth declared to Noah, he would only have eaten seed-bearing plants ((re: Genesis 1:29)) -- why should i think Genesis 8:20 is with regard to what is acceptable as food? if Noah kept the instructions given to Adam concerning food, no flesh of any animal would have been 'clean' to eat for him.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't take that into consideration that leaving out the link may appear as if I'm free handing and not a properly linked quote from a article. It wasn't my intention to be obstinate.

My girlfriend was looking at our conversation and agreed it's proper to use http// to sentences of other sources to ensure people don't assume the words are my own but she also said she could not see your link back to the website in your post that mentioned DUCK DUCK GO. I told her to Hoover the pointer over the word and click it, she said she felt stupid for not knowing that was a link to another site. She had always thought the high lightened color words was just that. people do that a lot on forums making colorful words etc. I said don't feel stupid not everybody is computer swavy and knows all the little ways to link stuff.

I apologize for being rude to you about your own thoughts about swine, I had read that pigs do not build up toxins in their body because of a lack of sweat glans and I surely could of said my point alittle more civil.

Indeed surely knowing the known, the unknown and foreknown knowledge is something to be behold.
Speaking on the clean and unclean animals mentioned in the bible, it is not written out exactly as too why and I probably couldn't give reasonable answer to it but if I was to give one about the swine maybe just knowing this below might be enough that God not wanting to see humans eating swine on the account of knowing, who knows lol...

Mark 5
11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand); and were choked in the sea.

Yeah, and at the risk of making myself look like an airhead again, on here, I seriously didn't know that was a link to an article...

I graduated from college in 03, and at that time it was proper to use the http// address to link things. I only use a computer mainly for work and just never knew that blue words or sentences in a post could be a link. I thought it was just something they were highlighting or bringing emphasis to...lol... but at least I learned something in this thread.

I'm also glad you made it clear about the sweat glands. I was getting ready to swear off on pork and not because I thought it was a sin, but because I thought they peed through their pores...

Thanksgiving would have been really gloomy with only the brown sugar and pineapples and no ham...LOL

Wow! First we were talking of a dietary ordinance. Hardly anything to get worked up over. Then out come words like blaspheme, sin and evil. Then resulting of accusing me of false prophecy and lying. I guess you don't want a civil discussion. I won't lower myself to your mindset. I'm am off this thread.