Not Eating Pork (Biblical Reason?)
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what made you think i'm a preacher?
part of my role is to parse sets and identify elements of them that do not meet certain constraints.
part of my role is to parse sets and identify elements of them that do not meet certain constraints.
test all things. hold on to what is good.
(1 Thessalonians 5:21)
God saw all that He had made, and it was very good.
(Genesis 1:31)
i shouldn't call unclean what He has declared clean. one doesn't have to be a preacher to know that -
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The bottom line folks is: It was Jesus Christ (preincarnate) that gave the ordinances to Adam. If unclean meat was unhealthy for us then, it still is. Ask yourself why did He give us these instructions. They were for our own good. Has He changed His mind?
Heb. 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Mal. 3:6 “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
Heb. 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Mal. 3:6 “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
it's with the command to honor our fathers and mothers that the result of increased longevity is mentioned, not with the description of which insects we may eat ((Lev. 11:20-23)). but where was it written that Adam was given clean/unclean food laws? iirc Adam was given every seed-bearing plant to eat, Noah additionally every creature that moves on the earth, and then those baptized into Moses a restricted set of those. if it was for Adam's health that he was prevented from eating meat, why was meat given to Noah and those under the Sinai covenant? something about meat became healthy after the flood ((though previously unhealthy)) and later after the Exodus ((only certain types)) became unhealthy again?
rise, Peter: kill and eat
Eating pork is part of abstaining from eating meats which is the doctrine of the devil.
It is very very clear in this verse
1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:
See! nothing to be rejected on every creature of God.
What matters most to our Lord is our heart than what we eat; just read it in Matthew Chapter 15.
Let's add this verse to strengthen the argument that eating pork is Biblical in the Christian Era:
1 Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, eat; asking no question for conscience' sake.
Is pork one of them in the shambles of Corinth? for sure YES is the answer.
Accept the truth and reject pride for proud people are not loved by the Lord as St. John said on his letter.
It is very very clear in this verse
1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:
See! nothing to be rejected on every creature of God.
What matters most to our Lord is our heart than what we eat; just read it in Matthew Chapter 15.
Let's add this verse to strengthen the argument that eating pork is Biblical in the Christian Era:
1 Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, eat; asking no question for conscience' sake.
Is pork one of them in the shambles of Corinth? for sure YES is the answer.
Accept the truth and reject pride for proud people are not loved by the Lord as St. John said on his letter.
The clean and unclean was established before Noah. He was told to load clean animals by sevens (Gen. 7:2,3). I believe man was always allowed to eat meat, the ones that God ordained.
You are reading something into Gen. 9:3 that isn't dietary instructions, just a general statement.
God is consistent, we need to read scripture with that in mind. Unclean was always unhealthy. God was not talking to Peter of diet. Peter gives the interpretation of his dream:
Acts. 10:28d "but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."
You are reading something into Gen. 9:3 that isn't dietary instructions, just a general statement.
God is consistent, we need to read scripture with that in mind. Unclean was always unhealthy. God was not talking to Peter of diet. Peter gives the interpretation of his dream:
Acts. 10:28d "but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."
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Yes. God was indirectly confirming to Peter what Christ had already taught the apostles and the Jews. While the primary reason for this vision was to show Peter that Gentiles were no longer to be regarded as unclean, the secondary reason was to show the Jews that all dietary restrictions were null and void under the New Covenant. These two passages confirm this.
MARK 7
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
1 TIMOTHY 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
MARK 7
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
1 TIMOTHY 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
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Genesis 8:20 -- clean/unclean animals is with reference to sacrifice
Genesis 9:3 "just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything"
Genesis 1:29 in re: green plants "they will be yours for food"
definitely concerning diet in both places. if i accept your view i have to see Adam as a pure carnivore before being given *also* plants to eat? and His words to Noah as 100% superfluous and without meaning.
know of any actual scripture that says 'unclean' = 'not good for physical health' ?
keeping in mind the consistency of God why does He explicitly command Peter to eat 'unclean' animals?
do you know of any other scripture where God gives a vision to someone literally commanding them to do evil ((as you suggest Acts 10 is)) purely as a metaphor for doing something good? the position that God commands Peter three times to commit sin is inconsistent. the position that what is true about men of all nations being now accepted by God through faith, is also true about all foods He has created being acceptable in His sight when received in faith, is consistent.
Peter does not mention his vision to Cornelius and those gathered - not as recorded in scripture.
to convince me, you need to find me an example of God explicitly commanding someone to do what is wicked in His sight, being purposefully deceptive. your position has God more than tempting Peter, in fact compelling him to do evil, and i find it entirely unsupportable. God is consistent: He doesn't tell you to do exactly the opposite of what He secretly desires for you to do. He does not instruct you to sin and He does not lie.
Genesis 9:3 "just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything"
Genesis 1:29 in re: green plants "they will be yours for food"
definitely concerning diet in both places. if i accept your view i have to see Adam as a pure carnivore before being given *also* plants to eat? and His words to Noah as 100% superfluous and without meaning.
know of any actual scripture that says 'unclean' = 'not good for physical health' ?
keeping in mind the consistency of God why does He explicitly command Peter to eat 'unclean' animals?
do you know of any other scripture where God gives a vision to someone literally commanding them to do evil ((as you suggest Acts 10 is)) purely as a metaphor for doing something good? the position that God commands Peter three times to commit sin is inconsistent. the position that what is true about men of all nations being now accepted by God through faith, is also true about all foods He has created being acceptable in His sight when received in faith, is consistent.
Peter does not mention his vision to Cornelius and those gathered - not as recorded in scripture.
to convince me, you need to find me an example of God explicitly commanding someone to do what is wicked in His sight, being purposefully deceptive. your position has God more than tempting Peter, in fact compelling him to do evil, and i find it entirely unsupportable. God is consistent: He doesn't tell you to do exactly the opposite of what He secretly desires for you to do. He does not instruct you to sin and He does not lie.
Ahem. Dream interpretation is not literal. When we dream of something like that it is symbolic. Tell me, do you think Peter would start eating the unclean after his little dream? Not and be a good Jew at the same time.
you've got a position with God commanding Peter to sin. with a duplicitous God deceptively instructing evil in order to teach good.
not consistent.
I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"
(Galatians 2:14)
can you find anywhere in scripture that God tells someone to do something He simultaneously forbids them to do? i need to see that before i can believe what you are saying is the right understanding. 
What Jewish custom was Paul talking about: circumcision (Gal. 2:7).
I'll give you a couple.
2 Ch. 18:22 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee."
Hosea 1:2 "The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD."
I'll give you a couple.
2 Ch. 18:22 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee."
Hosea 1:2 "The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD."
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Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't take that into consideration that leaving out the link may appear as if I'm free handing and not a properly linked quote from a article. It wasn't my intention to be obstinate.
My girlfriend was looking at our conversation and agreed it's proper to use http// to sentences of other sources to ensure people don't assume the words are my own but she also said she could not see your link back to the website in your post that mentioned DUCK DUCK GO. I told her to Hoover the pointer over the word and click it, she said she felt stupid for not knowing that was a link to another site. She had always thought the high lightened color words was just that. people do that a lot on forums making colorful words etc. I said don't feel stupid not everybody is computer swavy and knows all the little ways to link stuff.
I apologize for being rude to you about your own thoughts about swine, I had read that pigs do not build up toxins in their body because of a lack of sweat glans and I surely could of said my point alittle more civil.
My girlfriend was looking at our conversation and agreed it's proper to use http// to sentences of other sources to ensure people don't assume the words are my own but she also said she could not see your link back to the website in your post that mentioned DUCK DUCK GO. I told her to Hoover the pointer over the word and click it, she said she felt stupid for not knowing that was a link to another site. She had always thought the high lightened color words was just that. people do that a lot on forums making colorful words etc. I said don't feel stupid not everybody is computer swavy and knows all the little ways to link stuff.
I apologize for being rude to you about your own thoughts about swine, I had read that pigs do not build up toxins in their body because of a lack of sweat glans and I surely could of said my point alittle more civil.
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