Religion Generates Evil

Nobody in Catholicism worships images. The Protestants are masters at misleading people about Catholicism because they have an unfavorable opinion of them. Why do you keep insinuating things like, "if your a Christian?"

Worshipping idols doesn't kill people.

You're not worried about islam?

In July there were 187 Islamic attacks in 25 countries, 28 of them suicide blast, killing 1,456 people and injuring 1,429 people. That's the whore of Babylon busy filing the harlots cup.

Did you know...

We believe that Jesus Christ takes away our sins and is the Rock of Ages and the chief cornerstone of the Churches foundation. Did you know that Muslim's bow toward a black rock in Mecca 5 times a day and believe it takes away their sins. This black rock is the 'cornerstone' of the Kaaba. Or are you too busy looking at Catholicism?

Thats is the meaning if "vicar" vicarious...

"but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him "

im not going to look for the exact quote, and It does not say it expressely as I siad it but it does say "the pope is in place of Christ"

You said you study, you should already know this.

bottom line:

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

The catholics are not a part the body of Christ. Islam is fulfilling prophecy. What's going to happen is going to happen, can't anyone stop it.

The number of the verses in the Koran according to the scholars:

Ibn-i Abbas (ra): 6616,
Nafi (ra): 6217,
Shayba (ra): 6214,
Scholars of Egypt (ra): 6226,
Zamahshari (ra)
(the genius Eloquence Scholar of the Arabic language and literature);
6666.
Bediuzzaman, mujaddid (the reformer) of the13.century, also has the opinion of
6666 verses.

The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star."

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

Hilal in Arabis means....
Web definition
Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol!

Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means... Lucifer... aka Satan... aka the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon.

We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology!

Welcome to the two horned beast...

You don't know which Catholic's are and which ones are not! You are not God and it's wrong for you to condemn an entire religion who believes in Christ life, death, and resurrection just like you do. There are many Catholics who are part of the body of Crist.

That's not the primary meaning of Vicar. That's the secondary meaning of it.

Vicar

vicar (vĭkˈər)

The priest of a parish in the Church of England who receives a stipend or salary but does not receive the tithes of a parish.

A cleric in charge of a chapel in the Episcopal Church of the United States.

A cleric acting in the place of a rector or bishop in the Anglican Communion generally.

"Religion generates evil" is the thread title. Evil is generated when religious people, whose falsehoods have been explained 100 times, lie and/or distort and/or misrepresent and/or exaggerate, invent false histories, change the meaning of words, misuse the encyclopedia, and quote obscure documents with no link to the source. A good example is this "vicar" obsession. "Vicar" means ambassador or servant, it does not mean "dominating dictator". Anglicans use the same word and I don't see you bashing Anglicans.

Seventh Day Adventists are know for their extensive nonsense over papal titles.

Religion Generates Anti-Catholic Bigotry. This sudden flood proves my point.

Good point. There is nothing wrong with the title. My favorite is "Servant of the Servants of the People of God". Or the Eastern one: "First Among Equals"
But Religion Generates Re-definitions. Worse, Religion Generates False Titles. Vicarius Filii Dei was never used as a title for a Pope, yet the internet is loaded with Religion Generating Evil.

Don't try to deflect attention from the crimes committed by Catholic priests and bishops. That is outrageous. So for your information here is a Catholic (it would appear) who says that these priests and bishops should be imprisoned. But really, they deserve the death penalty for abusing their clerical offices and destroying the lives of young people.

John Zmirak: Faithful Catholics Must Withhold Donations, Imprison Corrupt Bishops Involved in Sex Abuse Cover-up
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/201...rrupt-bishops-involved-in-sex-abuse-cover-up/

The OP is not attacking priesthood but trying to understand why these so-called religious men are destroying so many lives. 1000 children abused just in Penn state by the RCC and the bishops intentionally cover that up. You find that correct. And this is just in the Penn State. The facts are crystal clear and very sad. It is also widely recognized that the sexual scandal is spread all over the globe. The OP is not attacking RCC or other religious organizations but commenting on large scale religious evil.

It’s because relious organizations are composed of fallen people just like the general population.

Religion has always "been man's attempt to please God." Religion is not a particular group, it has always been made up of individual believers. There is believers and nonbelievers in every group.
We always define ourselves by the building label we attend like it is "the church."
Strange thing about humanity, we feel what we believe is somehow our salvation. We seem to enjoy being our own savior. If what we believe saves us, then pray tell who is believing right and follow them.
Relion is more than happy to interpret the word of God for us. If the HolySpirit is being left out as the teacher for the individual, a set of rules become the norm and religion has done it's job. Believers must read (as well as study, seek Jesus said) for themselves and not have man interpret for them.

I agree that once proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, perverted priests should be executed, along with enabling bishops whose crimes were committed 40-50 years ago, along with enabling Protestants. But first they should be granted due process like everybody else. They are not.

I have been accused about 5 times of denial and deflection by people who don't quote me. I found this interesting article WRITTEN BY JOHN ZMIRAK, THE SAME AUTHOR OF YOUR LINK:
Anti-Catholic Media Figures Loom Large in Sex Abuse Scandal
BY JOHN ZMIRAK:
https://stream.org/anti-catholic-media-figures-loom-large-in-sex-abuse-scandal/ I look forward to an intelligent reply of this inconsistency.

The Philadelphia investigative report is mentioned in BOTH articles, and has been demonstrated to be a pack of lies.
Religion Generates Evil when public opinion is influenced by hypocritical "Christians" that has effects on the judicial system.

Unlike most commentators and reporters, I have read most of the Pennsylvania grand jury report. The purpose of this statement is to debunk many of the myths, and indeed lies, that mar the report and/or interpretations of it.
Myth: Over 300 priests were found guilty of preying on youngsters in Pennsylvania.

Fact: No one was found guilty of anything. Yet that didn't stop CBS from saying "300 'predator priests' abused more than 1,000 children over a period of 70 years." These are all accusations, most of which were never verified by either the grand jury or the dioceses. The report, and CBS, are also wrong to say that all of the accused are priests. In fact, some were brothers, some were deacons, and some were seminarians. How many of the 300 were probably guilty? Maybe half. My reasoning? The 2004 report by the John Jay College for Criminal Justice (not a Catholic institution) found that 4 percent of priests nationwide had a credible accusation made against them between 1950-2002. That is the figure everyone quotes. But the report also notes that roughly half that number were substantiated. If that is a reliable measure, the 300 figure drops to around 150. During the seven decades under investigation by the grand jury, there were over 5,000 priests serving in Pennsylvania (this includes two dioceses not covered in the report). Therefore, the percent of priests who had an accusation made against them is quite small, offering a much different picture than what the media afford. And remember, most of these accusations were never substantiated. Importantly, in almost all cases, the accused named in the report was never afforded the right to rebut the charges. That is because the report was investigative, not evidentiary, though the report's summary suggests that it is authoritative. It manifestly is not.

The report covers accusations extending back to World War II. Almost all the accused are either dead or have been thrown out of the priesthood. For example, in the Diocese of Harrisburg, 71 persons are named: 42 are dead and four are missing. Most of those who are still alive are no longer in ministry. There are some cases that are so old that they are unbelievable. Consider the case of Father Joseph M. Ganter. Born in 1892, he was accused in 2008 by an 80-year-old man of abusing him in the 1930s. Obviously, nothing came of it. But the priest was accustomed to such charges. In 1945, at the request of Father Ganter, a Justice of the Peace interviewed three teenage males who had made accusations against him. Not only did they give conflicting stories, the three admitted that they were never abused by Ganter. But don't look to the media to highlight this case, or others like it.

Myth: The report was warranted because of the on-going crisis in the Catholic Church.

Fact: There is no on-going crisis—it's a total myth. In fact, there is no institution, private or public, that has less of a problem with the sexual abuse of minors today than the Catholic Church. How do I know? Over the past two years, .005 percent of the Catholic clergy have had a credible accusation made against him. No one knows exactly what the figure is for other institutions, but if there were a grand jury investigation of the sexual abuse of minors in the public schools, people's heads would explode—it would make the Catholic Church's problems look like Little League. But no district attorney or attorney general has the guts to probe the public schools.

That would be a scam. So is cherry picking the Catholic Church. (the OP is a scam too)

Myth: The grand jury report was initiated to make the guilty pay.

Fact: It has nothing to do with punishing the guilty. Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh "Salacious" Shapiro admitted on August 14 that "Almost every instance of child abuse (the grand jury) found was too old to be prosecuted." He's right. But he knew that from the get-go, so why did he pursue this dead end? Why did he waste millions of taxpayer dollars in pursuit of alleged offenders when he knew he couldn't do anything about it? Because he, and his predecessor, Kathleen Kane (who is now in prison for lying under oath and misusing her Attorney General's office) wanted to shame the Catholic Church. Kane and Shapiro have never sought to shame imams, ministers, or rabbis—they just want to shame priests. Nor will they conduct a probe of psychologists, psychiatrists, camp counselors, coaches, guidance counselors, or any other segment of society where adults routinely interact with minors. Shapiro, and those like him, are delighted with all the salacious details in the report. When it comes to non-priests, news reports on sexual misconduct typically note that a sexual offense has occurred, but readers are spared the graphic accounts. Not when it comes to priests—they love to get as explicit as they can. It's not just Shapiro who is interested in appealing to the prurient interest of the public. The lead story in the August 15 edition of the New York Times is another case in point: on the front page there is a photo of a handwritten note by a young male who describes how and where a priest 4 allegedly touched him. Yet when accusations surface against the likes of Harvey Weinstein, all that is noted is the nature of the offense.

Myth: Shapiro is seeking to right these wrongs by pushing for legislation that would suspend the statute of limitations for sexual crimes against minors, allowing old cases to be prosecuted. Fact: This is one of the most bald-face lies of them all. Neither Shapiro, nor Pennsylvania lawmaker Mark Rozzi, who is proposing such legislation, has ever included the public schools in these proposed bills— they only apply to private [read: Catholic] institutions. In most states, public school students have 90 days to report an offense. That's it. Which means it is too late for a student raped by a public school teacher to file suit if the crime occurred this year at the start of the baseball season. Public institutions are governed under the corrupt doctrine of sovereign immunity, and few politicians have the courage to challenge it. In the few instances where states have included the public schools in such legislation, guess who goes bonkers? The public school establishment. The teachers' unions, school superintendents, principals—they all scream how utterly unfair it is to roll back the clock and try to determine if the accused is guilty of an offense that took place decades ago. They are right to do so; lucky for them they are rarely called to action. The reason we have statutes of limitation is because many witnesses are either dead or their memories have faded. The public school industry understands the importance of this due process measure, and rightfully protests when it is in jeopardy. So why is it that when bishops make the exact same argument, they are condemned for obstructing justice? The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Myth: The priests "raped" their victims.

Shapiro said that "Church officials routinely and purposely described the abuse as horseplay and wrestling and inappropriate contact. It was none of those things." He said it was "rape." Similarly, the New York Times quoted from the report saying that Church officials used such terms as "horseplay" and "inappropriate contact" as part of their "playbook for concealing the truth."

Fact: This is an obscene lie. Most of the alleged victims were not raped: they were groped or otherwise abused, but not penetrated, which is what the word "rape" means. This is not a defense—it is meant to set the record straight and debunk the worst case scenarios attributed to the offenders.

Furthermore, Church officials were not following a "playbook" for using terms such as "inappropriate contact"—they were following the lexicon established by the John Jay professors...

...Myth: The abusive priests were pedophiles.

Fact: This is the greatest lie of them all, repeated non-stop by the media, and late-night talk TV hosts. There have been two scandals related to the sexual abuse of minors in the Catholic Church. Scandal I involves the enabling bishops who covered it up. Scandal II involves the media cover-up of the role played by gay molesters...

...Shapiro fed the myth about this being a "pedophile" scandal when he said the victims were "little boys and girls." This is a lie. Anyone who actually reads the report knows it is a lie. Most were postpubescent. This doesn't make the molestation okay—the guilty should be imprisoned—but it is wrong to give the impression that we are talking about 5-year-olds when more typically they were 15-year-olds. The New York Times, which has been covering up for homosexuals for decades...
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We expect Hollywood to behave like Hollywood. We do not expect those who name the name of Christ to act like the devil. The Catholic church should be ashamed and it's members should demand leaders who are first and foremost Christians. Most Catholic priests are not even saved men.

The Catholic church is simply a Gentile version of Judaism and has nothing to offer of Spiritual value.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

People can do whatever they want ,makes no difference to the fact that Christianity is Christ's religion and is the only true one. You seem to miss, whether non-denominational the practice laid down by Christ: Celebrating His supper, baptism and marriage in Him are religion- His. I am a follower of Christ, my faith in application is His religion. Yes people change lots of things , if they do they are not practicing the faith. I am nondenominational as far as what exist at present. But if you have read- in these end times the Lord is making TRUE Priest unto Himself, Sons of light and Righteousness. The Manifestation. All God's House shall manifest the presents of Christ REV.12.

The Lord also has a name for His assembly revealed in 2 John1:1-2
Greeting from the Elder
1The elder, To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth — and not I alone, but also all who know the truth — 2because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:…
Before translation to English from the Hebrew and Greek (Kuria Hebrew and Greek Copia or sometimes spelled Kopia) It means Noble Lady or(Spiritual Lady mother) Kuria- in Greek( Abundance or Supply) in the fact this end time Church will be given in abundance , spiritual gifts and supply the world with the true teachings of Christ.
Her Children are called Kyrie. This is also represented in the Rev.12 sign. Kyrie is this Mother'Church's offspring also mentioned in Rev.12:17.

This letter in which the Beloved John penned was not a single lady but a collective group who are the first wave of putting an end to sin during this end of the age. Her offspring Kyrie will exhibit gifts like Christ, Kyrie means "Lord have Mercy". Our Beloved John( who by the way is one of the witnesses of Rev. 11) will speak to us personally. As the letter states.

Greeting from the Elder
(3 John 1:1-4)

1The elder,

To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I alone, but also all who know the truth— 2because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:

3Grace, mercy, and peace be with us in truth and love from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father.

Walking in the Truth
(John 8:30-41)

4I was overjoyed to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father has commanded us. 5And now I urge you, dear lady—not as a new commandment to you, but one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love.

Beware of Deceivers

7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, that you may be fully rewarded. 9Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.

10If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. 11Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.

Final Greetings

12I have many things to write you, but I would prefer not to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to come and speak with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

13The children of your elect sister send you greetings.
The Elect Sister here is the First Church as originally started, we are the Last True Church who keep in line with the original therefore are sisters (That is WE- meaning those Elected today).

First of all I agree with all the information concerning the obvious behavior of the Popes. As for the RCC creating Islam though, that is not true. But what can be most accurately stated is in recent years starting especially with PJP2 Islam has been embraced by the RCC. This is a Masonic plan though, which uses the Harlot for its globalist agenda to dissolution the faith globally. She can be called a Mother to Islam in the fact that she has ADOPTED Islam into her fold, as she has with all other religions as well- Papal prayer intention January 2016. Hence , why she is called MOTHER OF ALL THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I get where you are coming from, somethings just need to be tweaked for perfect accuracy. By the RCC embracing all other religions she legitimizes their presents in the world before others and if possible , to try and get the Elect on board. As IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE, Pleassssssse! But Islam was not birthed by the RCC , ADOPTED YES!

I don't think the RCC is supposed to make us good; it's supposed to make itself rich and powerful. It's very existence depends upon it having our money and having control over us. The true body of Christ doesn't lift a finger to stay in existence.

The one-time sacrifice of Christ on the cross, through faith in Him, makes us permanently good (as in "perfect"). For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Hebrews 10:14

This is misleading. Dictionaries typically offer all the meanings of a word, generally in order of most-to-least common. However, to suggest that the Anglican use of "vicar" is the "primary" use and therefore the Catholic use should be drawn from that is ridiculous. They are two different senses. Further, the Anglican use finds its origin in the Catholic use, not the other way around.