Religion Generates Evil

[Dino246]

I agree that once proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, perverted priests should be executed, along with enabling bishops whose crimes were committed 40-50 years ago, along with enabling Protestants. But first they should be granted due process like everybody else. They are not.

I have been accused about 5 times of denial and deflection by people who don't quote me.

So I'm quoting you. The bolded part is a deflection. You're still trying to defend the Catholic "church" by throwing shade at non-Catholics. Just get off it.

Should any enabling Protestants be held to account? Yes, certainly. Is that any sort of a defense for the Catholics? Not even a little.

True repentance means OWNING one's wrongdoing. All I have seen you do is try to deflect attention onto other alleged wrongdoers. The only right response to all of this is "Yes, some Catholics are accused of having done horrible things. The Catholic Church is guilty of covering up the allegations instead of holding its members to proper account for their actions." It's really quite simple. If you want to defend the Catholic "church" (quotes used without apology), then you need to stop trying to accuse others.

 

[epostle]

by the RCC and the bishops intentionally cover that up. You find that correct. And this is just in the Penn State. The facts are crystal clear and very sad. It is also widely recognized that the sexual scandal is spread all over the globe. The OP is not attacking RCC or other religious organizations but commenting on large scale relig

No, the "facts" are not crystal clear. You picking on Catholics with insane exaggerations is your religion generating evil. .004% is not "widespread". 1/12 Apostles (Judas) is more statistically "widespread" than that.
I like your thirst for justice, and I think you want to be a good Christian, but cherry picking the Catholic Church the way you did is not justice.

it looks like every catholic priest is an abuser and all bishops approved that (may be even the pope).

In the light of my above post, this is not justice, it's a can of worms.
PROTESTANT LAWYER SAYS EVANGELICALS ARE WORSE THAN CATHOLICS

AUSTIN, Texas (RNS) The Christian mission field is a “magnet” for sexual abusers, Boz Tchividjian, a Liberty University law professor who investigates abuse said Thursday (Sept. 26) to a room of journalists.

While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response, “I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims.

“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations. READ MORE HERE

Finding sex abuse scandals IN EVERY DENOMINATION is not hard. I have avoided posting them because I am not anti-Protestant.

The media is at war with the Catholic Church, that's easy to prove. Satan controls most of the media; that too is easy to prove. Don't jump on his bandwagon.

Popes have met face to face with victims, how many Protestant clergy have done that?

The Church has a whole commission set up to promote the safety of youth. How many similar Protestant commissions are there?

Pope John Paul the Great called it "filth", Pope Benedict called it "evil", and Pope Francis ordered the commission. But that will never appease the fist shaking hypocrites.
https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19877
"...The new commission will be responsible for drafting guidelines for the prevention of abuse, developing training programs, advising on cooperation with law-enforcement officials, and promoting care for victims of abuse, in collaboration with experts on the subject. The panel will be composed of experts on sexual abuse and prevention. Pope Francis will issue a document setting forth the specific details of the commission’s work and appointing the first members... (that was 2 1/2 years ago, it's gotten bigger)

You want to combat "widespread evil"? Start by doing your own laundry, the Church is doing hers.

 

[epostle]

So I'm quoting you. The bolded part is a deflection. You're still trying to defend the Catholic "church" by throwing shade at non-Catholics. Just get off it.

Should any enabling Protestants be held to account? Yes, certainly. Is that any sort of a defense for the Catholics? Not even a little.

True repentance means OWNING one's wrongdoing. All I have seen you do is try to deflect attention onto other alleged wrongdoers. The only right response to all of this is "Yes, some Catholics are accused of having done horrible things. The Catholic Church is guilty of covering up the allegations instead of holding its members to proper account for their actions." It's really quite simple. If you want to defend the Catholic "church" (quotes used without apology), then you need to stop trying to accuse others.

THAT IS A LIE. Asking the name of the OP's church is not a deflection, it's leveling the playing field against a cherry picker. Once, in the above post (#102) have I mentioned a specific Protestant church in this entire thread, and I quoted a Protestant lawyer. Quote me or stop lying.

You have made this false accusation against me at least 3 times, and not once have you quoted me. Why? to derail the thread because you can't refute me? Your precious anti-Catholic baseball bat has become a wet noodle?

It's not me that's in denial, Dino. Why don't you go find some juicy headline from the Satan controlled media and post it. That's standard anti-Catholic methodology from my experience.

No amount of papal apologies, no amount of admitting and confessing, no amount of statistical reductions, no commission and no amount of prison sentences can satisfy the radical, hypocritical anti-Catholic until every priest and bishop is hanging from a cross or in an arena of lions. Guess what, Dino. That's already been tried and it didn't work.

Pagan Roman Religion Generating Evil.
The difference between that and the Philadelphia investigative report
is profound.
So are the similarities.
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[FirstLovedByHim]

The catholics are not a part the body of Christ. Islam is fulfilling prophecy. What's going to happen is going to happen, can't anyone stop it.

No, most correctly is not ALL Catholics are part of the body of Christ as are not ALL Orthodox and or Protestants. God knows His own, and they know Him when He calls them out . Show some brotherly love. All have been influenced by ALL the present denominations, even you. The work which Christ is undertaking on the behalf of the Elect ONLY He can perform, meaning in deliverance, out of denominations. It is the Miracle before His Time = Return and the mystery of the wedding Feast of Canaan dialogue. As much as you try you sound like you most closely relate to the Protestant denomination.

I'll know for sure if you will answer this question: (What are your views on the Mother of our Lord?) I will also add all the denominations are in for a rude awakening concerning what is TRUE about her. But if you will, please answer my question.

 

[epostle]

So I'm quoting you. The bolded part is a deflection. You're still trying to defend the Catholic "church" by throwing shade at non-Catholics. Just get off it.

You get off it. I made a generality, no one Protestant church, which I have purposely avoided. You are not quoting me, you are using one mention of "Protestant" in several posts of admissions. You have something to hide.

Should any enabling Protestants be held to account? Yes, certainly. Is that any sort of a defense for the Catholics? Not even a little.

Your interpretation of what I wrote stinks. Sex abuse is as much a cultural problem as it is any body else's problem. Making a list about it is not making a defense, and not once have I made lame excuses, deflected or blame shifted. You have something to hide, not me. You don't object to stupid, unfair exaggerations but make a big deal over one word that was not intended to deflect in any way. Admissions and statistics are all over this thread, so you accuse me of deflecting???

I have long lists of Protestant sex abuse cases and it seems to me you want me to post them so you can accuse me of deflecting. You have something to hide and you do not want me to expose your hypocrisy.

True repentance means OWNING one's wrongdoing. All I have seen you do is try to deflect attention onto other alleged wrongdoers.

That is another lie.

The only right response to all of this is "Yes, some Catholics are accused of having done horrible things. The Catholic Church is guilty of covering up the allegations instead of holding its members to proper account for their actions." It's really quite simple. If you want to defend the Catholic "church" (quotes used without apology), then you need to stop trying to accuse others.

Make a list of all the "others" that I have accused. Not counting the lawyer I quoted, he made the accusations about evangelicals, not me.
"Protestant enablers" is simply one among Catholic enablers.
Your false accusations remain false.
Name your church so I can have a fair and equal playing field. That would never happen with a Catholic seeking fairness, will it Dino.

I could guess. The Seventh Day Adventists, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Christadelphians, non-denoms with no ecclesiology and no accountability, some evangelicals and some ignorant paranoid fundamentaslists all share your contempt for the historic Church.

80+% of YOUR church's doctrines, if you have one, are borrowed from the Catholic Church. If she is wrong, then so are you. Your anti-Catholicism is contradictory and self defeating.

 

[Dino246]

THAT IS A LIE. Asking the name of the OP's church is not a deflection, it's leveling the playing field against a cherry picker. Once, in the above post (#102) have I mentioned a specific Protestant church in this entire thread, and I quoted a Protestant lawyer. Quote me or stop lying.

You have made this false accusation against me at least 3 times, and not once have you quoted me. Why? to derail the thread because you can't refute me? Your precious anti-Catholic baseball bat has become a wet noodle?

It's not me that's in denial, Dino. Why don't you go find some juicy headline from the Satan controlled media and post it. That's standard anti-Catholic methodology from my experience.

No amount of papal apologies, no amount of admitting and confessing, no amount of statistical reductions, no commission and no amount of prison sentences can satisfy the radical, hypocritical anti-Catholic until every priest and bishop is hanging from a cross or in an arena of lions. Guess what, Dino. That's already been tried and it didn't work.

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Pagan Roman Religion Generating Evil.
The difference between that and the Philadelphia investigative report
is profound.
So are the similarities.
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It is obvious to me that you really don't understand what I'm addressing.

You have continually mentioned the alleged crimes of non-Catholics, which are completely irrelevant to your defense of Catholics.

If you were accused of speeding, would you defend yourself by saying "The car ahead of me and the car behind me were speeding also. In fact, they were going much faster!" Would that get you off the hook?

No.

Likewise, mentioning the alleged wrongdoing of non-Catholics isn't going to exonerate the Catholic "church" or its employees of their wrongdoing. It baffles me that you have not understood that, though I've explained it several different ways.

My comments are not even primarily about Catholic versus non-Catholic, though apparently you don't see that either. You have your knickers in a twist about this, you're complaining about persecution, and you can't get your head out of the mud far enough to recognize that you are a very long way off base.

 

[pjharrison]

People can do whatever they want ,makes no difference to the fact that Christianity is Christ's religion and is the only true one. You seem to miss, whether non-denominational the practice laid down by Christ: Celebrating His supper, baptism and marriage in Him are religion- His. I am a follower of Christ, my faith in application is His religion. Yes people change lots of things , if they do they are not practicing the faith. I am nondenominational as far as what exist at present. But if you have read- in these end times the Lord is making TRUE Priest unto Himself, Sons of light and Righteousness. The Manifestation. All God's House shall manifest the presents of Christ REV.12.

The Lord also has a name for His assembly revealed in 2 John1:1-2
Greeting from the Elder
1The elder, To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth — and not I alone, but also all who know the truth — 2because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:…
Before translation to English from the Hebrew and Greek (Kuria Hebrew and Greek Copia or sometimes spelled Kopia) It means Noble Lady or(Spiritual Lady mother) Kuria- in Greek( Abundance or Supply) in the fact this end time Church will be given in abundance , spiritual gifts and supply the world with the true teachings of Christ.
Her Children are called Kyrie. This is also represented in the Rev.12 sign. Kyrie is this Mother'Church's offspring also mentioned in Rev.12:17.

This letter in which the Beloved John penned was not a single lady but a collective group who are the first wave of putting an end to sin during this end of the age. Her offspring Kyrie will exhibit gifts like Christ, Kyrie means "Lord have Mercy". Our Beloved John( who by the way is one of the witnesses of Rev. 11) will speak to us personally. As the letter states.

Greeting from the Elder
(3 John 1:1-4)

1The elder,

To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I alone, but also all who know the truth— 2because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:

3Grace, mercy, and peace be with us in truth and love from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father.

Walking in the Truth
(John 8:30-41)

4I was overjoyed to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father has commanded us. 5And now I urge you, dear lady—not as a new commandment to you, but one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love.

Beware of Deceivers

7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, that you may be fully rewarded. 9Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.

10If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. 11Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.

Final Greetings

12I have many things to write you, but I would prefer not to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to come and speak with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

13The children of your elect sister send you greetings.
The Elect Sister here is the First Church as originally started, we are the Last True Church who keep in line with the original therefore are sisters (That is WE- meaning those Elected today).

One day you will all understand what I have been trying to tell you. No one is ready to hear it at this time. The church institutions are another covering. It's not the covering of Jesus. That is why he says do not cover your head. It keeps your understanding earthy. Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Get out from under the school master and live by faith.

 

[epostle]

It is obvious to me that you really don't understand what I'm addressing.

You have continually mentioned the alleged crimes of non-Catholics, which are completely irrelevant to your defense of Catholics.

Make a list of "continually mentioned..." so I can understand what you are addressing. Then I will retract my complaints.

If you were accused of speeding, would you defend yourself by saying "The car ahead of me and the car behind me were speeding also. In fact, they were going much faster!" Would that get you off the hook?

No.

Likewise, mentioning the alleged wrongdoing of non-Catholics isn't going to exonerate the Catholic "church" or its employees of their wrongdoing. It baffles me that you have not understood that, though I've explained it several different ways.[/quote] How many times did I mention the wrongdoings of non-Catholics? Please quote, or cite the page and post #. Quoting a Protestant lawyer doesn't count. I count one (1), how many do you count? Again, quote or give specific location. Generalities are meaningless.

My comments are not even primarily about Catholic versus non-Catholic, though apparently you don't see that either.

My comments are primarily about myths verses facts. My enemy is Satan controlled media that gets gobbled up by good Christians who rush it to discussion boards.

You have your knickers in a twist about this, you're complaining about persecution, and you can't get your head out of the mud far enough to recognize that you are a very long way off base.

Have I made any false accusations against you? I am trying to stay on track with the OP. Maybe I should post page after page of Protestant sex scandals, just so you can be right.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

One day you will all understand what I have been trying to tell you. No one is ready to hear it at this time. The church institutions are another covering. It's not the covering of Jesus. That is why he says do not cover your head. It keeps your understanding earthy. Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Get out from under the school master and live by faith.

I am not misunderstanding anything, you are. We (The Elect) are all under the covering of our God, not a denomination . You speak in implying terms and reveal nothing but squirrel words. I am non denominational not sure what you do not get about that. I am simply saying any application in action is religious practice, and ritual in faith. Spiritual: is our state- action is our religious application of our faith- Cause and Effect , you can not have the effect of course without the cause. Faith put into action reveals our religious observance, CHRIST! Get over your self- Christ's Religion is Christianity unadulterated, pure and simple. When you spiritually do something regularly
such as WORSHIP CHRIST, it is done RELIGIOUSLY, learn the meaning of words. And I do not want to here, that is what man says the meaning of words are. God gave us written language and the meaning of words good or bad, He is the one who gives the meaning, the application of the meaning is what is played, by satan to obscure true meaning, and you did dodge my question posed. I'll know if you are one of the Elect if you know the TRUTH concerning the Mother of the Lord or not. So, what are your PRESENT VIEWS CONCERNING HER?

Also,I never said I was under any other school master but Christ, you did in what you imply. Learn how to read delivery of words.

 

[pjharrison]

No, most correctly is not ALL Catholics are part of the body of Christ as are not ALL Orthodox and or Protestants. God knows His own, and they know Him when He calls them out . Show some brotherly love. All have been influenced by ALL the present denominations, even you. The work which Christ is undertaking on the behalf of the Elect ONLY He can perform, meaning in deliverance, out of denominations. It is the Miracle before His Time = Return and the mystery of the wedding Feast of Canaan dialogue. As much as you try you sound like you most closely relate to the Protestant denomination.

I'll know for sure if you will answer this question: (What are your views on the Mother of our Lord?) I will also add all the denominations are in for a rude awakening concerning what is TRUE about her. But if you will, please answer my question.

She was Jesus earthly mother. He also died for her sins as well as everyone else's. She was the virgin chosen to give birth to the messiah. All of the Catholics observe traditions and pray to the virgin Mary, as well as some of the angels.

 

[pjharrison]

I am not misunderstanding anything, you are. We (The Elect) are all under the covering of our God, not a denomination . You speak in implying terms and reveal nothing but squirrel words. I am non denominational not sure what you do not get about that. I am simply saying any application in action is religious practice, and ritual in faith. Spiritual: is our state- action is our religious application of our faith- Cause and Effect , you can not have the effect of course without the cause. Faith put into action reveals our religious observance, CHRIST! Get over your self- Christ's Religion is Christianity unadulterated, pure and simple. When you spiritually do something regularly
such as WORSHIP CHRIST, it is done RELIGIOUSLY, learn the meaning of words. And I do not want to here, that is what man says the meaning of words are. God gave us written language and the meaning of words good or bad, He is the one who gives the meaning, the application of the meaning is what is played, by satan to obscure true meaning, and you did dodge my question posed. I'll know if you are one of the Elect if you know the TRUTH concerning the Mother of the Lord or not. So, what are your PRESENT VIEWS CONCERNING HER?

Also,I never said I was under any other school master but Christ, you did in what you imply. Learn how to read delivery of words.

You said you are nondenominational. What does that mean? Do you attend church? I would rather be called a believer in Christ, because a Christian in this world attends church. I don't. Not anymore.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

She was Jesus earthly mother. He also died for her sins as well as everyone else's. She was the virgin chosen to give birth to the messiah. All of the Catholics observe traditions and pray to the virgin Mary, as well as some of the angels.

Play on words. I know what Catholics do, I asked what your belief and views concerning her are. Not Catholic views. Is she the Mother of our Lord? that you did not say you simply said she gave birth to Him, even Protestant know this. What do you know about her , based on Scripture and current beliefs? And what do you accept and what do you reject?????

 

[pjharrison]

Play on words. I know what Catholics do, I asked what your belief and views concerning her are. Not Catholic views. Is she the Mother of our Lord? that you did not say you simply said she gave birth to Him, even Protestant know this. What do you know about her , based on Scripture and current beliefs? And what do you accept and what do you reject?????

I did answer it (She was Jesus earthly mother)

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

You said you are nondenominational. What does that mean? Do you attend church? I would rather be called a believer in Christ, because a Christian in this world attends church. I don't. Not anymore.

My church is Wherever I am. Church means : Assembly and wherever two or three gather in His name He is there in the midst of them. The first assemblies were in peoples homes. All Christians must attend an assembly that is what CHURCH means - assembly of believers. that can even happen in a forum that is discussing Christ. My home is where my everyday assembly is. As for fellowship, I seek out brother and sisters in all denominations. I do not reject anyone, I esteem and edify whom I must. I do not discredit as you have, all who do not think exactly the same way. Correct a wise man and he will increase in learning.

 

[pjharrison]

My church is Wherever I am. Church means : Assembly and wherever two or three gather in His name He is there in the midst of them. The first assemblies were in peoples homes. All Christians must attend an assembly that is what CHURCH means - assembly of believers. that can even happen in a forum that is discussing Christ. My home is where my everyday assembly is. As for fellowship, I seek out brother and sisters in all denominations. I do not reject anyone, I esteem and edify whom I must. I do not discredit as you have, all who do not think exactly the same way. Correct a wise man and he will increase in learning.

I haven't rejected anyone. I say this out of love. The body of Christ need to seek each other out now. We are really in the last days. We all need to come to the same understanding. The Holy Spirit will bring us into all truth, one mind. So we will come into the same understanding. If you are not going to church, pray that God will bring you into the truth, and then you will see that I am telling you the truth. God knows you better than you know yourself. So he knows just how to get your attention.

 

[pjharrison]

I haven't rejected anyone. I say this out of love. The body of Christ need to seek each other out now. We are really in the last days. We all need to come to the same understanding. The Holy Spirit will bring us into all truth, one mind. So we will come into the same understanding. If you are not going to church, pray that God will bring you into the truth, and then you will see that I am telling you the truth. God knows you better than you know yourself. So he knows just how to get your attention.

You never did say anything more about Mary.

 

[DudleyDorite]

She was Jesus earthly mother. He also died for her sins as well as everyone else's. She was the virgin chosen to give birth to the messiah. All of the Catholics observe traditions and pray to the virgin Mary, as well as some of the angels.

In the U.S., all Catholics do not observe traditions and most don't pray to Mary. Those traditions are more popular with old school Catholic's in South America etc. Praying to angels comes out of the book of Tobit.

There should be 77 books in the bible, not 66. Enoch and Tobit are two of them.

You said you are non-denominational. What does that mean? Do you attend church? I would rather be called a believer in Christ, because a Christian in this world attends church. I don't. Not anymore.

If you don't know what nondenominational means you're in the wrong business. I too would rather be called a believer than a Christian. My church helps me maintain my faith through hearing the Word, prayers, bible studies, music, and fellowship. I go to a church where I'm not condemned for my non Trinitarian beliefs.

 

[pjharrison]

In the U.S., all Catholics do not observe traditions and most don't pray to Mary. Those traditions are more popular with old school Catholic's in South America etc. Praying to angels comes out of the book of Tobit.

There should be 77 books in the bible, not 66. Enoch and Tobit are two of them.

If you don't know what nondenominational means you're in the wrong business. I too would rather be called a believer than a Christian. My church helps me maintain my faith through hearing the Word, prayers, bible studies, music, and fellowship. I go to a church where I'm not condemned for my non Trinitarian beliefs.

What do you mean, you don'tbelieve in the trinity?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

I did answer it (She was Jesus earthly mother)

Here is a question: is she the Theotokos-God Bearer. I will lead in a discussion to find out what is Truth and what is a Lie in all present denominations. You will find out the AH GOTCHA MOMENT is for satan. So a testing of doctrine will occur .

All Scripture is God-Breathed2Timothy 3:15 -17
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
Profitable for doctrine. Which means man can establish doctrine based on the scriptures. So throughout history, men have devised doctrines . To know what is or is not true all doctrines must be found in the Word.

So one Title , given to Mary is Theotokos -God Bearer does scripture support this title? That which is to remain standing and that which is to be burned will be revealed. So what is your opinion?

 

[DudleyDorite]

What do you mean, you don'tbelieve in the trinity?

Never did and never will. The Trinity is a man made doctrine inspired by Constantine and devised by the Catholic's which the Protestants have accepted in the 3-4th century. It has done more to divide the church than any doctrine in the history of the Church. There was never a 'trinity' until about the 4th century.

It takes only one verse to debunk it.