Religion Generates Evil

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pjharrison

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Here is a question: is she the Theotokos-God Bearer. I will lead in a discussion to find out what is Truth and what is a Lie in all present denominations. You will find out the AH GOTCHA MOMENT is for satan. So a testing of doctrine will occur .

All Scripture is God-Breathed2Timothy 3:15 -17
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
Profitable for doctrine. Which means man can establish doctrine based on the scriptures. So throughout history, men have devised doctrines . To know what is or is not true all doctrines must be found in the Word.

So one Title , given to Mary is Theotokos -God Bearer does scripture support this title? That which is to remain standing and that which is to be burned will be revealed. So what is your opinion?
I'm sorry but I don't relate to that word. All I can say is that she was a virgin and she gave birth to the messiah, other than that she was an ordinary woman.
 
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In the U.S., all Catholics do not observe traditions and most don't pray to Mary. Those traditions are more popular with old school Catholic's in South America etc. Praying to angels comes out of the book of Tobit.

There should be 77 books in the bible, not 66. Enoch and Tobit are two of them.

If you don't know what nondenominational means you're in the wrong business. I too would rather be called a believer than a Christian. My church helps me maintain my faith through hearing the Word, prayers, bible studies, music, and fellowship. I go to a church where I'm not condemned for my non Trinitarian beliefs.
Non Trinitarian? How is it you do not believe the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit are not one in purpose and if one in purpose, are the same? Scripture is pretty clear they are.
 
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pjharrison

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Never did and never will. The Trinity is a man made doctrine inspired by Constantine and devised by the Catholic's which the Protestants have accepted in the 3-4th century. It has done more to divide the church than any doctrine in the history of the Church. There was never a 'trinity' until about the 4th century.

It takes only one verse to debunk it.
Which verse is that?
 
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Never did and never will. The Trinity is a man made doctrine inspired by Constantine and devised by the Catholic's which the Protestants have accepted in the 3-4th century. It has done more to divide the church than any doctrine in the history of the Church. There was never a 'trinity' until about the 4th century.

It takes only one verse to debunk it.
Scripture is profitable for doctrine. If something is obviously there in word application, such as- like 1+2 the conclusion is obvious. Just because you do not see the Words HOLY TRINITY does not mean the equation is not there. The process of equating one thing with another is called making doctrine. If scripture supports the sum then the doctrine is true. It is called the everlasting gospel. God desires us to make doctrine, it shows the eternal function of the WORD.
 

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Scripture is profitable for doctrine. If something is obviously there in word application, such as- like 1+2 the conclusion is obvious. Just because you do not see the Words HOLY TRINITY does not mean the equation is not there. The process of equating one thing with another is called making doctrine. If scripture supports the sum then the doctrine is true. It is called the everlasting gospel. God desires us to make doctrine, it shows the eternal function of the WORD.
The Trinity is NOT obviously there. Trinitarians will even tell you that. Jesus said the Father is greater and I believe him.
 
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pjharrison

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Which verse is that?
You know that the humans is made up of three parts. The soul, spirit and body. God is also made up of three parts. God (is the mind and the father), Jesus (is the spoken word of God made flesh, and the son) and the Holy Spirit (is the power that does the work)
 
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You know that the humans is made up of three parts. The soul, spirit and body. God is also made up of three parts. God (is the mind and the father), Jesus (is the spoken word of God made flesh, and the son) and the Holy Spirit (is the power that does the work)
The father and the son are the same.
 
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Which verse is that?
Yeah, I would like to see that too???? If it is clear the concept is in some scriptural verses. 1. If Dudley sees something else , elsewhere, then either Dudley is being lied to by the father of lies and falsely interprets the Word, or2. the Word contradicts itself, and therefore was never true to begin with. I'll go with the first point.
 

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Which verse is that?
Do you know the specifics of the trinity doctrine? Triads of gods began shortly after Babel. I think the Trinity doctrine is a terrible way to explain God and especially Jesus.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
 

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The father and the son are the same.
You know that the humans is made up of three parts. The soul, spirit and body. God is also made up of three parts. God (is the mind and the father), Jesus (is the spoken word of God made flesh, and the son) and the Holy Spirit (is the power that does the work)
Nothing about humans explain a trinity. The Father and the son are one, but that has nothing to do with a Trinity.
Being one means of the same mind and purpose.
 
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pjharrison

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Do you know the specifics of the trinity doctrine? Triads of gods began shortly after Babel. I think the Trinity doctrine is a terrible way to explain God and especially Jesus.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Tamuz and his mother came up with that lie. Copying the real trinity.
 
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You know that the humans is made up of three parts. The soul, spirit and body. God is also made up of three parts. God (is the mind and the father), Jesus (is the spoken word of God made flesh, and the son) and the Holy Spirit (is the power that does the work)
Great point. I understand this about the same Way. I see in our beings the metaphor of the Holy Trinity design. The Father , Son and HolySpirit are the great mind , heart and soul, like our mind, heart and soul work as one , they do too. We are after all made in the image of God. The three can not function without the other and are one and the same in purpose, to give and sustain life.
 
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pjharrison

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Nothing about humans explain a trinity. The Father and the son are one, but that has nothing to do with a Trinity.
Being one means of the same mind and purpose.
Jesus said over and over again. I do not speak of myself, but of the one who sent me. Because every word that Jesus speaks come from the mind of God.
 
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Nothing about humans explain a trinity. The Father and the son are one, but that has nothing to do with a Trinity.
Being one means of the same mind and purpose.
Of course it does because we are made in God's Image :
Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
 
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pjharrison

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Great point. I understand this about the same Way. I see in our beings the metaphor of the Holy Trinity design. The Father , Son and HolySpirit are the great mind , heart and soul, like our mind, heart and soul work as one , they do too. We are after all made in the image of God. The three can not function without the other and are one and the same in purpose, to give and sustain life.
That's why Jesus is called the word. He is every word out of the mind of God.
 
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Nothing about humans explain a trinity. The Father and the son are one, but that has nothing to do with a Trinity.
Being one means of the same mind and purpose.
Of course it does because we are made in God's Image :
Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
The Trinity is NOT obviously there. Trinitarians will even tell you that. Jesus said the Father is greater and I believe him.
Of course He did. It is very simple :
The Attitude of Christ Philippians 2:5-7
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.…

The attitude of Christ is the example that man must adhere to. it is clear Christ is God in form. Being fully Human, He is teaching us how to remain humble before God. One of many lessons that only the Holy Spirit can give proper understanding of . Because in other scripture it is clear He puts Himself as ONE with the Father. And after His resurrection all is complete. He shows us how to be as the Christ man and please the Father. This does not make Him no less God.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't relate to that word. All I can say is that she was a virgin and she gave birth to the messiah, other than that she was an ordinary woman.
It has nothing to with I do not relate to that word. If you are one of the Elect you then know that it is the hour to prove all present doctrine. You sound fearful. You relate to the Word Trinity, but yet can not comprehend Theotokos? Sounds like you are in the entrapment of a denomination if you are fearful to test another???? I have my answer.
 
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pjharrison

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It has nothing to with I do not relate to that word. If you are one of the Elect you then know that it is the hour to prove all present doctrine. You sound fearful. You relate to the Word Trinity, but yet can not comprehend Theotokos? Sounds like you are in the entrapment of a denomination if you are fearful to test another???? I have my answer.
 
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pjharrison

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It has nothing to with I do not relate to that word. If you are one of the Elect you then know that it is the hour to prove all present doctrine. You sound fearful. You relate to the Word Trinity, but yet can not comprehend Theotokos? Sounds like you are in the entrapment of a denomination if you are fearful to test another???? I have my answer.
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