Not By Works

Hi all...It is good to be reminded over and over what the Scripture says about those who are in Christ Jesus...

Philippians 1:6 And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns......

It is God who begins and ends His good work in us, not our will Father but your Will be done...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."...

We can fool ourselves, but we cannot fool God...Those who know they are in Christ can live in His Joy, we are told not to fear...Thank God and all praise to Him that we have eternal life through the one who gave it ALL, Jesus Christ our Savior...Man who lives in fear all the days of his life when he says he is born again is not trusting in our LORD, he lives in his own insecurities, those who belong to God live in the security of Christ...

Colossians 3:2 2 [FONT=&quot]And set your minds [/FONT]and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth...All the glory to God \/...xox...

One, I'm not a Calvinist. Two, I've NEVER used Matthew 7:25.. Third, I have no idea what TULIP is, other than a flower...lol.. And fourth, I never said that we don't have to do good works as God commands us. I said that we are not to do them with the wrong intent in mind..

Well you did not read or understand a word I said. Please go back, reread it, and try to figure out what ,mistakes you made. Then if you still want to respond. Feel free.

Hmmm.....and we're supposed to be the legalists. Or are you just making a point?

It's not a numerical quantity. It's whether or not you're growing up into an ever increasing obedience to the qualities of the Spirit-2 Peter 1:5-11. The person who claims to be saved but is the same person they were before they got saved and is not growing up more and more into the qualities of the Spirit is not saved, or at the very least, can't know for sure if he's saved or not. He's the one who has to fear the coming Judgment, and should be. He'll have the one talent of kingdom knowledge at the return of Jesus that Jesus left with Him, and because he only has what he knew about the kingdom and did not live it and bring the expected increase to it in his life he will be thrown into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth-Matthew 25:24-30.

So when profanity is used from the Pulpit or in a Bible teaching does it pass the test below?

Col 3:17-
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

How about this one?

Phil 4:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Then there is this one:

James 3:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh.

By the way, God is offended when we use profanity


Prov 10:11
The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,
But the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.

Prov 10:19
When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.

Prov 15:4
A soothing tongue is a tree of life,
But perversion in it crushes the spirit.

Prov 15:28
The heart of the righteous ponders how to answer,
But the mouth of the wicked pours out evil things.

Matt 15:11
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

Prov 17:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He who restrains his words has knowledge,
And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.

We are not stirring up conflict in your club in country club thread, we are calling out on the leaders of the thread to be the accountable men of God they say they are. It just so happens the issue was brought up because the OP slipped up and used BS at the end of a post. He then claims innocence to me, but others defended his use of the actual meaning of the word. So now maybe we should start telling him to stop lying and covering himself up as well as using profanity.


Then another leader of the thread condoned using profanity behind the pulpit and while teaching the bible and admitted it was not a true sin.

Then the reformed Calvinist crew came and and mocked people for being legalistic and give the ones they agree with a complete pass, only because the doctrine is whats important. Deposit the fact, John MacArthur and the Late RC Sproul would throw them out of their own churches for condoning what these men say is ok to do.

We are not stirring up conflict! we are calling for leaders on this thread who self profess themselves to be Pastor-teachers of the flock to be accountable. Proven fact if you condone one kind of leaven in the lump, it is infected with other leaven elsewhere.

Not bragging by any means. Ripping the face off hypocrisy and the contradictions? yes we are.

Can anyone say the word, "over reaction", you have disqualified yourself to criticize anyone here by your extreme reactions to a discussion about "one word" in the bible. And we are, "Uber Cool", you seem to have all the correct vernacular and you continue to use the word "POO" in your post. People understand what the word "POO" means, by trying to show how great you are you have become foolish, and a "Legalist at heart", as you claim you are. Take out the log in your eye first.

"hardshell" is a good screen name for you,

Romans 7 (NIV) New International Version

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Blah blah blah......they sell diapers and pacifiers at Walmart....like the dude in John Wick......NOTHING....YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING......BUT mouth like the above.....take you own advice and watch your own mouth....BS <-----ooopsssss a daisy......I wrote two letters

I am offended...you spelled out cuss words in a bible forum to make a point.....there is a word on the tip of my tongue...it comes from two Greek words and the English translation starts with a H AND ENDS WITH A E...........! P.S. not really offended but the boot fits!

Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword that divides-Matthew 10:34. The truth causes division. That's not something to be ashamed of. It's okay to separate the false from the true.

but a salvation you do not currently possess if you can't show it by your ever increasing works.

I thought Bill meant salt. Guess not.

If you think works have nothing to do with whether you have faith and are really saved or not, you do NOT know Jesus. you will be rejected when he comes back.

excuse me but i noticed all your "lists of acceptable works" are "do not's"

do not lie, do not steal etc.

so ((mathematically)) i was wondering, how do i be "ever increasing" in "not stealing" for example?

say i didn't steal yesterday. presto, good work.
but my good work has to be ever increasing or it's not good enough, you say.
so today, i have to "not steal" even more than yesterday.

if i have 0 "thefts" yesterday, i'm not saved unless i have i have "negative 1" thefts today -- ???
i have 0 "adulteries" yesterday, so i'm not saved unless next month i have "-20" adulteries ?

what's negative fifty "not-covet's" look like?

((asking for a friend))

So basically you're saying to people from the pulpit that you do not have to clean up your language as part of growing up into the righteousness of Christ. This is a good example of what went wrong with the church these last 20 years or so. Lot's of people coming to Christ for the get out of jail free card, and amen for that card, but not being told about the wanting to be different people part of the gospel. So now we have fake 'believers' taking over the church. So-called believers who think all you have to do is believe Jesus forgives your sin for nothing (which he does) while rejecting the part about having the obligation to walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:12) and to be transformed by what you have received.

Hmmm.....and we're supposed to be the legalists. Or are you just making a point?

It's not a numerical quantity. It's whether or not you're growing up into an ever increasing obedience to the qualities of the Spirit-2 Peter 1:5-11. The person who claims to be saved but is the same person they were before they got saved and is not growing up more and more into the qualities of the Spirit is not saved, or at the very least, can't know for sure if he's saved or not. He's the one who has to fear the coming Judgment, and should be. He'll have the one talent of kingdom knowledge at the return of Jesus that Jesus left with Him, and because he only has what he knew about the kingdom and did not live it and bring the expected increase to it in his life he will be thrown into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth-Matthew 25:24-30.

Sorry , you cannot use Phil 3:8 as your defense here because the context is not correct.

Did actually Paul ever tell Peter any other person he disagreed with he was full of poo? yeah thought not.

DO you believe our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders can have one foot in darkness and one in the kingdom? If you give this a pass and think it is perfectly fine to have language like this from the pulpit, whats next?

Hiring Pastors that use profanity and then allow them to let:

Youth pastors and and their wives to show kids porn on theirs phones to help them stay pure?
And then justify it to their parents by saying, all kids have sex anyway, we just used porn to make a point!


The Young Adult singles Pastors wife to show her cleavage and legs and give the young single Adult women conferences on being sexy and showing their stuff to attract a Godly man?

Let pot be smoked on church property while the tokers work out their passive sanctification to stop their addictions.
Then have to ignore the couple snorting cocaine in the church restroom, because they give a lot of money, I mean a lot of money to the church.

Letting Adam and Steve to be on the platform and lead worship, because they are just so good at it, despite the fact they are engaging in homosexual sex? And the other worship team members are committing adultery and fornicating with each other.


Where does it stop? Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders have to lower themselves by acting like the world to be relevant enough to reach the world. Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders are to keep people in bondage to their sin, because there is no victory until then and not now and your just a work in progress like me? Where does it say that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders not show their people they can overcome their issues and be everything God says they are and called them to be?

The Bible says unequivocally that our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock.


You and the rest your tribe here think people in the world appreciate you being so uber cool and able to relate with them. They really don't, not the ones looking for the God that saves and gives them power to overcome and become who God wants them to be.

The only ones that relate to church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders that condone leaven in the lump are usually spiritual babes that have spiritual babies as leaders. I do not fault the people, I fault the leadership of the people. If you have a babe in Christ trying to learn how to manifest love and self control enough to not us profanity from the pulpit, he is not being transparent,relative, and an adorable work in progress like his sheep. He is also a babe attempting lead babes and is compared to a new convert, which Paul says should not be allowed to teach, be an elder or deacon {See 1 Tim 3} This type of church grows but only in terms of people and not spiritual maturity.

Eventually, a lot of people will get revelation about who they are and that they do not need to be of the world to reach the world. They will see that their leadership are not really being uber cool, relative or an adorable work in progress like they used to be. They begin to see that their leadership are not growing spiritually and either have no desire to, do not know how to or are in deception or spreading deception. They also begin to see that others around them fit the same patterns. The next time the uber grace filled cool cat pastor-teacher throws out an F-bomb to get their attention to make a point, they wake up and leave for better solid food and spiritual growth.

1 Cor 5:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


I have been called legalistic a lot in the last few years and came to understand it is because I make a stand that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock. And if they condone something as small as allowing profanity from the pulpit to make points, they have serious issues in their own lives and that of their churches. They are blinded by a false interpretation of grace, or worse are intentional in the desire to spread deception or are just a babe in Christ for decades, and this makes them think they have grown enough to shepherd.

Moses spent 40 years in the wilderness before he spent 40 years leading others in the wilderness and never used profanity to make a point.

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