Not By Works

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dcontroversal

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I'd walk out on a pastor or Bible study leader who purposely used the s word. I wouldn't even wait until "all eyes closed, heads down" prayer time to do that like I usually do when I realize I'm in a loser church. I'd hit the door immediately.

Leaders of the flock, if they really are leaders, really do have a higher responsibility to live good lives. They are to be examples to the flock. If they don't have self control that is not being what Peter said to be in 1 Peter 5:3. They are not God's appointed leaders. They show that by their lives.

One time I went to a house church when I was looking for a church to attend. I walked into a house completely and utterly choked with the smell of tobacco. I figured if the leadership can't get a grip on a vice like smoking why should I expect to learn anything about growing up into the obedience of faith and victory over the flesh from them? I never went back. Sometimes you don't have to have the Spirit of discernment to know a false teacher from a real one. Their lives say all you need to know. The presence of the Spirit is most easily discerned by the fruit of the Spirit. No fruit-no Spirit. They can preach all they want about Jesus. But they show by their lives that they do not know him. They have service, but they do not have obedience. If they stay that way they'll be toast when Jesus comes back.
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You would walk out on Jesus, Paul or John for preaching biblical salvation by faith........
 
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So basically you're saying to people from the pulpit that you do not have to clean up your language as part of growing up into the righteousness of Christ. This is a good example of what went wrong with the church these last 20 years or so. Lot's of people coming to Christ for the get out of jail free card, and amen for that card, but not being told about the wanting to be different people part of the gospel. So now we have fake 'believers' taking over the church. So-called believers who think all you have to do is believe Jesus forgives your sin for nothing (which he does) while rejecting the part about having the obligation to walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:12) and to be transformed by what you have received.
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You should lay off the juice or put glasses on before you post......I never even came close to saying what you think I said
 
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Apparently you do not know this is a reference to the law about how a woman's monthly flow makes her unclean. Are you trying to say the prophet was going for shock value by saying something filthy, and since he did it it's okay for preachers to do that? Hardly. If you knew the law you'd know that's not what he was doing.
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No need for reply.....because the following is your modus operandi....

I say->>>>The sky is blue and Jesus will come back

What you see->>>Eggrolls are good and Jesus loves Chinese food
 
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dcontroversal said:
Blah blah blah.....open your eyes...they were NEVER SAVED YET CLAIMED TO BE AND OFFERED THEIR WORKS AS PROOF....another cake taker
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That's what it says. But it also says they were lawless. That is the part you people are ignoring. You can't be a preacher or teacher doing works of service and believing correctly that you are not saved by those works of service but then turn right around and live in lust, adultery, covetousness, and hatred, and the love of this world. If you are doing that you show that you are not really saved and you will not be saved from the fire when Jesus comes back.
 
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but a salvation you do not currently possess if you can't show it by your ever increasing works.

You can argue all you want about not being able to lose salvation or not, but if you're not even saved to begin with as shown by having no works, it don't matter if you can lose salvation or not. What counts is that you are saved and have the life to show for it on the day Jesus comes back.
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Paul did not use foul language to teach the truth and then turn right around and teach that you should not use foul language-Ephesians 5:4, Colossians 3:8.
 
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Ralph- said:
And so that means you don't have to have works when Jesus comes back! Bravo, dcontroversial! The new eternal security teaching of the church. It's exactly what itching ears want to hear.

If you don't have works you're not even saved in the first place for your teaching about getting saved and staying saved to even matter.
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Your antics and additions to what people say makes you a what exactly....? Go read Proverbs 6...more than a few of the 7 fit you well
 
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dcontroversal said:
Yep.....works have nothing to do with it....saved by faith...end of story
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If you think works have nothing to do with whether you have faith and are really saved or not, you do NOT know Jesus. you will be rejected when he comes back.
 
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dcontroversal

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Ralph- said:
but a salvation you do not currently possess if you can't show it by your ever increasing works.

You can argue all you want about not being able to lose salvation or not, but if you're not even saved to begin with as shown by having no works, it don't matter if you can lose salvation or not. What counts is that you are saved and have the life to show for it on the day Jesus comes back.
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^^^^^^^no value disclaimer^^^^^^
 
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If you think works have nothing to do with whether you have faith and are really saved or not, you do NOT know Jesus. you will be rejected when he comes back.
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Sure....I will go with faith....you go with a claim of works...we will see who makes the "many" grouping...
 
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dcontroversal said:
Your antics and additions to what people say makes you a what exactly....?
Go read Proverbs 6...more than a few of the 7 fit you well
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It does give one pause to wonder what some of these people think they are proving with their false witness and stirring up conflict in the community... some of the things God hates, for they are an abomination to Him... while they swagger around blustering and braying about works :confused:
 
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Sure....I will go with faith....you go with a claim of works...we will see who makes the "many" grouping...
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What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?- James 2:14

It's a rhetorical question, dcontroversial. The answer is no. Faith without works will not save you. You need to start teaching this. Works are required for salvation because no works means you have no faith. They don't earn salvation. Works are the inseparable visible result of saving faith.


show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.-James 2:18


 
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It does give one pause to wonder what some of these people think they are proving with their false witness and stirring up conflict in the community... some of the things God hates, for they are an abomination to Him... while they swagger around blustering and braying about works :confused:
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Amen.....hilariously tragic....very, very contrary....
 
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What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?- James 2:14

It's a rhetorical question, dcontroversial. The answer is no. Faith without works will not save you. You need to start teaching this. Works are required for salvation because no works means you have no faith. They don't earn salvation. Works are the inseparable visible result of saving faith.


show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.-James 2:18


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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, bit according ro his mercy has he saved us.

Your view means jack....it is faith that saves....end of story!
 
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It does give one pause to wonder what some of these people think they are proving with their false witness and stirring up conflict in the community... some of the things God hates, for they are an abomination to Him... while they swagger around blustering and braying about works :confused:
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Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword that divides-Matthew 10:34. The truth causes division. That's not something to be ashamed of. It's okay to separate the false from the true.
 
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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, bit according ro his mercy has he saved us.

....it is faith that saves....end of story!
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Duh. Everybody knows this. The part you seem determined to ignore is you show you have the mercy of God by if you have works. No works means you don't have the mercy and grace of God in salvation. You will be burned up when Jesus comes back. You are a preacher, teacher and you do not teach this?
 
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Duh. Everybody knows this. The part you seem determined to ignore is you show you have the mercy of God by if you have works. No works means you don't have the mercy and grace of God in salvation. You will be burned up when Jesus comes back. You are a preacher, teacher and you do not teach this?
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So...now you show you have mercy if you have works....make your mind up....Faith saves eternally end of story
 
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God's grace is free. It's up to us whether to accept it or not. If we do, we are saved. Faith is not a work... It is a gift.


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Okay Okay I am a false teacher. Now that we got that out of the way.

So let me get this straight. God saves us because of His grace but the grace must be accepted in the proper way or the grace will not be granted. Correct?

And you don't see any works on our part in this formula?
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