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Just saw a TV series on Ted Kaczynski. Apparently the use that idiom, and his CORRECT way of writing it, is what led to his capture.
We should say, "You can't eat your cake and have it too". Being the perfectionist that he was, he just HAD to write the correct usage.
Not sure when it got swapped, but I always thought it didn't make sense. But the Unabomber's way does.
We should say, "You can't eat your cake and have it too". Being the perfectionist that he was, he just HAD to write the correct usage.
Not sure when it got swapped, but I always thought it didn't make sense. But the Unabomber's way does.
Really? You accuse a brother for saying BS? I call BS! Paul uses some salty language to say pretty much what DC said.
The polite King James uses the term "dung" in this passage, but many scholars believe the term to be much more, ehm.. let's say common!
Philippians 3:8
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but DUNG, that I may win Christ,
And let's not even talk about how Paul wishes Judaizers would cut off ALL of their .... Nether regions!
So please stop Judaizing, by mixing works and Grace. Thank you
The polite King James uses the term "dung" in this passage, but many scholars believe the term to be much more, ehm.. let's say common!
Philippians 3:8
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but DUNG, that I may win Christ,
And let's not even talk about how Paul wishes Judaizers would cut off ALL of their .... Nether regions!
So please stop Judaizing, by mixing works and Grace. Thank you
E
Sadly, This is what Legalism does to a person, it makes them weak and unable to have any strength, they can go out into the world Like Jesus said, But they go out more like a pharisee than Christ himself. They have to go out judging, They go out as hypocrites, who like pharisees, may have knowledge and know a lot of bible. May appear to be morally upright (you can not see their sins, because they like the pharisee make sure people see their good works, and sin in private, or ignore the fact they even have any sin,
it is why many do not want to come to God, Not so much because they have to admit they need to change their life, but because they want nothing to do with the arrogant holier than though church.
it is why many do not want to come to God, Not so much because they have to admit they need to change their life, but because they want nothing to do with the arrogant holier than though church.
R
Come on, Penn, use your brain.
Paul would not use filthy language and then teach not to use filthy language.
Don't listen to scholars. Most of them are too busy over thinking things to see the obvious.
Anther example of how if you knew the law you'd know he isn't going below the belt to be funny or for shock value to pump up his ministry and be 'with it'.
How on God's green earth is what we're talking about Judaizing? How does Paul's commands to not use filthy language equate to mixing works and grace? Please stop seeing works salvation under every rock and behind every tree. Thank you.
Paul would not use filthy language and then teach not to use filthy language.
Don't listen to scholars. Most of them are too busy over thinking things to see the obvious.
Anther example of how if you knew the law you'd know he isn't going below the belt to be funny or for shock value to pump up his ministry and be 'with it'.
How on God's green earth is what we're talking about Judaizing? How does Paul's commands to not use filthy language equate to mixing works and grace? Please stop seeing works salvation under every rock and behind every tree. Thank you.
R
Well, he did. And then he and eternall-gratefull have been insisting he did not.
You are right that works are not needed to be justified. What you are wrong about is you can not be justified and then not have the life to show it. If that's happening you were not really justified. That's part of the 'P' teaching in TULIP. You forgot that your own Calvy beliefs say you have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back or you were never really saved to begin with. You all have forgotten how many times you've used Matthew 7:25 to show once saved always saved is true.
You are right that works are not needed to be justified. What you are wrong about is you can not be justified and then not have the life to show it. If that's happening you were not really justified. That's part of the 'P' teaching in TULIP. You forgot that your own Calvy beliefs say you have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back or you were never really saved to begin with. You all have forgotten how many times you've used Matthew 7:25 to show once saved always saved is true.
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Eph 5:4
The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.
Prov 8:13
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Titus 3:2
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:14
If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
1 Peter 4:14
Eph 5:4
The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.
Prov 8:13
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Titus 3:2
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:14
If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
1 Peter 4:14
Hi all...It is good to be reminded over and over what the Scripture says about those who are in Christ Jesus...
Philippians 1:6 And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns...
...
It is God who begins and ends His good work in us, not our will Father but your Will be done...
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."...
We can fool ourselves, but we cannot fool God...Those who know they are in Christ can live in His Joy, we are told not to fear...Thank God and all praise to Him that we have eternal life through the one who gave it ALL, Jesus Christ our Savior...Man who lives in fear all the days of his life when he says he is born again is not trusting in our LORD, he lives in his own insecurities, those who belong to God live in the security of Christ...
Colossians 3:2 2 [FONT="]And set your minds [/FONT]and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth...All the glory to God \/...xox...
Philippians 1:6 And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns...
...It is God who begins and ends His good work in us, not our will Father but your Will be done...
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."...
We can fool ourselves, but we cannot fool God...Those who know they are in Christ can live in His Joy, we are told not to fear...Thank God and all praise to Him that we have eternal life through the one who gave it ALL, Jesus Christ our Savior...Man who lives in fear all the days of his life when he says he is born again is not trusting in our LORD, he lives in his own insecurities, those who belong to God live in the security of Christ...
Colossians 3:2 2 [FONT="]And set your minds [/FONT]and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth...All the glory to God \
/...xox...
The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 John 3:24
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 John 4:6
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:7
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
Mark 7:9
If you love me, keep my commands.
John 14:15
Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
1 Cor 7:19
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Rev 14:12
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:2
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world.
1 John 5:3-4
1 John 3:24
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 John 4:6
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:7
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
Mark 7:9
If you love me, keep my commands.
John 14:15
Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
1 Cor 7:19
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Rev 14:12
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:2
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world.
1 John 5:3-4
Sorry , you cannot use Phil 3:8 as your defense here because the context is not correct.
Did actually Paul ever tell Peter any other person he disagreed with he was full of poo? yeah thought not.
DO you believe our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders can have one foot in darkness and one in the kingdom? If you give this a pass and think it is perfectly fine to have language like this from the pulpit, whats next?
Hiring Pastors that use profanity and then allow them to let:
Youth pastors and and their wives to show kids porn on theirs phones to help them stay pure?
And then justify it to their parents by saying, all kids have sex anyway, we just used porn to make a point!
The Young Adult singles Pastors wife to show her cleavage and legs and give the young single Adult women conferences on being sexy and showing their stuff to attract a Godly man?
Let pot be smoked on church property while the tokers work out their passive sanctification to stop their addictions.
Then have to ignore the couple snorting cocaine in the church restroom, because they give a lot of money, I mean a lot of money to the church.
Letting Adam and Steve to be on the platform and lead worship, because they are just so good at it, despite the fact they are engaging in homosexual sex? And the other worship team members are committing adultery and fornicating with each other.
Where does it stop? Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders have to lower themselves by acting like the world to be relevant enough to reach the world. Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders are to keep people in bondage to their sin, because there is no victory until then and not now and your just a work in progress like me? Where does it say that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders not show their people they can overcome their issues and be everything God says they are and called them to be?
The Bible says unequivocally that our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock.
You and the rest your tribe here think people in the world appreciate you being so uber cool and able to relate with them. They really don't, not the ones looking for the God that saves and gives them power to overcome and become who God wants them to be.
The only ones that relate to church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders that condone leaven in the lump are usually spiritual babes that have spiritual babies as leaders. I do not fault the people, I fault the leadership of the people. If you have a babe in Christ trying to learn how to manifest love and self control enough to not us profanity from the pulpit, he is not being transparent,relative, and an adorable work in progress like his sheep. He is also a babe attempting lead babes and is compared to a new convert, which Paul says should not be allowed to teach, be an elder or deacon {See 1 Tim 3} This type of church grows but only in terms of people and not spiritual maturity.
Eventually, a lot of people will get revelation about who they are and that they do not need to be of the world to reach the world. They will see that their leadership are not really being uber cool, relative or an adorable work in progress like they used to be. They begin to see that their leadership are not growing spiritually and either have no desire to, do not know how to or are in deception or spreading deception. They also begin to see that others around them fit the same patterns. The next time the uber grace filled cool cat pastor-teacher throws out an F-bomb to get their attention to make a point, they wake up and leave for better solid food and spiritual growth.
1 Cor 5:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I have been called legalistic a lot in the last few years and came to understand it is because I make a stand that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock. And if they condone something as small as allowing profanity from the pulpit to make points, they have serious issues in their own lives and that of their churches. They are blinded by a false interpretation of grace, or worse are intentional in the desire to spread deception or are just a babe in Christ for decades, and this makes them think they have grown enough to shepherd.
Moses spent 40 years in the wilderness before he spent 40 years leading others in the wilderness and never used profanity to make a point.
Did actually Paul ever tell Peter any other person he disagreed with he was full of poo? yeah thought not.
DO you believe our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders can have one foot in darkness and one in the kingdom? If you give this a pass and think it is perfectly fine to have language like this from the pulpit, whats next?
Hiring Pastors that use profanity and then allow them to let:
Youth pastors and and their wives to show kids porn on theirs phones to help them stay pure?
And then justify it to their parents by saying, all kids have sex anyway, we just used porn to make a point!
The Young Adult singles Pastors wife to show her cleavage and legs and give the young single Adult women conferences on being sexy and showing their stuff to attract a Godly man?
Let pot be smoked on church property while the tokers work out their passive sanctification to stop their addictions.
Then have to ignore the couple snorting cocaine in the church restroom, because they give a lot of money, I mean a lot of money to the church.
Letting Adam and Steve to be on the platform and lead worship, because they are just so good at it, despite the fact they are engaging in homosexual sex? And the other worship team members are committing adultery and fornicating with each other.
Where does it stop? Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders have to lower themselves by acting like the world to be relevant enough to reach the world. Where does the Bible teach us that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders are to keep people in bondage to their sin, because there is no victory until then and not now and your just a work in progress like me? Where does it say that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders not show their people they can overcome their issues and be everything God says they are and called them to be?
The Bible says unequivocally that our our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock.
You and the rest your tribe here think people in the world appreciate you being so uber cool and able to relate with them. They really don't, not the ones looking for the God that saves and gives them power to overcome and become who God wants them to be.
The only ones that relate to church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders that condone leaven in the lump are usually spiritual babes that have spiritual babies as leaders. I do not fault the people, I fault the leadership of the people. If you have a babe in Christ trying to learn how to manifest love and self control enough to not us profanity from the pulpit, he is not being transparent,relative, and an adorable work in progress like his sheep. He is also a babe attempting lead babes and is compared to a new convert, which Paul says should not be allowed to teach, be an elder or deacon {See 1 Tim 3} This type of church grows but only in terms of people and not spiritual maturity.
Eventually, a lot of people will get revelation about who they are and that they do not need to be of the world to reach the world. They will see that their leadership are not really being uber cool, relative or an adorable work in progress like they used to be. They begin to see that their leadership are not growing spiritually and either have no desire to, do not know how to or are in deception or spreading deception. They also begin to see that others around them fit the same patterns. The next time the uber grace filled cool cat pastor-teacher throws out an F-bomb to get their attention to make a point, they wake up and leave for better solid food and spiritual growth.
1 Cor 5:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I have been called legalistic a lot in the last few years and came to understand it is because I make a stand that our church leaders, teachers, preachers and elders should be called, validated, approved by God and then consecrated and separated from the flock. And if they condone something as small as allowing profanity from the pulpit to make points, they have serious issues in their own lives and that of their churches. They are blinded by a false interpretation of grace, or worse are intentional in the desire to spread deception or are just a babe in Christ for decades, and this makes them think they have grown enough to shepherd.
Moses spent 40 years in the wilderness before he spent 40 years leading others in the wilderness and never used profanity to make a point.
Profanity is simple.
It is about frustration and venting, whether out of shock or annoyance or anger.
But we are called in Christ to be those who display the fruit of the Spirit.
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23
Those who want to defend shock and annoyance and anger need to learn more about Jesus
and His ways.
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22
Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
1 Tim 4:12
All leaders are to set the example of love following Jesus and walking in the Holy Spirit.
It is about frustration and venting, whether out of shock or annoyance or anger.
But we are called in Christ to be those who display the fruit of the Spirit.
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23
Those who want to defend shock and annoyance and anger need to learn more about Jesus
and His ways.
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22
Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
1 Tim 4:12
All leaders are to set the example of love following Jesus and walking in the Holy Spirit.
This appears to be a rant?
I was wondering what culture you come from where profanity is an acceptable part of
gentle, kind, loving interaction and encouragement.
In my culture and upbringing swearing expresses anger and verbal violence, a warning
that actual violence might come next.
Is this what you are actually saying and justifying?
Should we send in the riot police in case a war breaks out in your church?
Or is this your anger bursting out clouding your judgement?
I apologise if this question makes you angry, because I am just trying to understand
your position, as you are a bible teacher and a man who should be respected.
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
James 3:9-12
I was wondering what culture you come from where profanity is an acceptable part of
gentle, kind, loving interaction and encouragement.
In my culture and upbringing swearing expresses anger and verbal violence, a warning
that actual violence might come next.
Is this what you are actually saying and justifying?
Should we send in the riot police in case a war breaks out in your church?
Or is this your anger bursting out clouding your judgement?
I apologise if this question makes you angry, because I am just trying to understand
your position, as you are a bible teacher and a man who should be respected.
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
James 3:9-12
So when profanity is used from the Pulpit or in a Bible teaching does it pass the test below?
Col 3:17-
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.
How about this one?
Phil 4:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
Then there is this one:
James 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh.
By the way, God is offended when we use profanity
Prov 10:11
The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,
But the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.
Prov 10:19
When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.
Prov 15:4
A soothing tongue is a tree of life,
But perversion in it crushes the spirit.
Prov 15:28
The heart of the righteous ponders how to answer,
But the mouth of the wicked pours out evil things.
Matt 15:11
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
Prov 17:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He who restrains his words has knowledge,
And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
Col 3:17-
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.
How about this one?
Phil 4:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
Then there is this one:
James 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh.
By the way, God is offended when we use profanity
Prov 10:11
The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,
But the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.
Prov 10:19
When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.
Prov 15:4
A soothing tongue is a tree of life,
But perversion in it crushes the spirit.
Prov 15:28
The heart of the righteous ponders how to answer,
But the mouth of the wicked pours out evil things.
Matt 15:11
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
Prov 17:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He who restrains his words has knowledge,
And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
It does give one pause to wonder what some of these people think they are proving with their false witness and stirring up conflict in the community... some of the things God hates, for they are an abomination to Him... while they swagger around blustering and braying about works
Then another leader of the thread condoned using profanity behind the pulpit and while teaching the bible and admitted it was not a true sin.
Then the reformed Calvinist crew came and and mocked people for being legalistic and give the ones they agree with a complete pass, only because the doctrine is whats important. Deposit the fact, John MacArthur and the Late RC Sproul would throw them out of their own churches for condoning what these men say is ok to do.
We are not stirring up conflict! we are calling for leaders on this thread who self profess themselves to be Pastor-teachers of the flock to be accountable. Proven fact if you condone one kind of leaven in the lump, it is infected with other leaven elsewhere.
Not bragging by any means. Ripping the face off hypocrisy and the contradictions? yes we are.