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Hello Jazzsinger. Thanks for being honest about your situation. You're correct the Bible can be read from a queer perspective, but it can be read from many perspectives, many of which are incorrect. I believe the queer perspective falls under the incorrect one.
I have no idea what it's like to struggle with gender identity issues, but like any other sin, I'm sure it's a monster to deal with. All of us deal with sin, and through Christ we have to mortify it daily.
I hope you don't continue to think this is God's way. It is not. But also, the issue may not go away simply by praying once, it may in fact be an everyday thing you fight for the rest of your life, just like any temptation.
Please know God has lots of grace and love for you, and desires to change you. Give it time and just keep going to God for grace everyday and keep fighting sin, like we all do.
I have no idea what it's like to struggle with gender identity issues, but like any other sin, I'm sure it's a monster to deal with. All of us deal with sin, and through Christ we have to mortify it daily.
I hope you don't continue to think this is God's way. It is not. But also, the issue may not go away simply by praying once, it may in fact be an everyday thing you fight for the rest of your life, just like any temptation.
Please know God has lots of grace and love for you, and desires to change you. Give it time and just keep going to God for grace everyday and keep fighting sin, like we all do.
Fellow Christians, as frustrated as we are about a perceived agenda from the LGBTQ camp, I really think we need to check our snarky remarks that go along the lines of. . . "Well I'm going to identify as a dog, so now I'm a dog."
Those kinds of comments are not helpful, and if there is an honest seeker reading, they may just view us as jerks. I highly recommend reading a book by and about Rosaria Butterfield. She was a hardcore lesbian and activist but came to repentant faith after much patience. Reading her story opened my eyes to how we are viewed, and how much of what we say and do just makes us look like jerks.
https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Thoug...2&keywords=confessions+of+an+unlikely+convert
Those kinds of comments are not helpful, and if there is an honest seeker reading, they may just view us as jerks. I highly recommend reading a book by and about Rosaria Butterfield. She was a hardcore lesbian and activist but came to repentant faith after much patience. Reading her story opened my eyes to how we are viewed, and how much of what we say and do just makes us look like jerks.
https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Thoug...2&keywords=confessions+of+an+unlikely+convert
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Being that I was actively living as a bisexual from early prepubescent until about 4 years ago.. I'm 34btw.. I actually don't count that comment as being off.. truth sets free, not garbage and coddling.. tact is important but discerning is more so.. the attitude they come with needs met head on.. it's the influence behind the activities not the person that needs addressing.. .
the person can be dealt with simultaneously.. I'm not saying they aren't important.. but it's not just emotions here.. it's spiritual lies and bondages
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I was referring to the dog video. I didn't mean the comment as snarky. It was something that came up in conversation earlier.
Something I'd like to point out is that I do not believe it is a sin to be gender-confused or even to be tempted with same sex attraction. The Bible says that for every temptation, God has provided a way of escape, that we may be able to bear it.
Compare the gender attraction issue to a 19-year-old young man who is tempted to fornicate with women, or just to look at them with lust. Women walking by in high skirts and low tops are a temptation. He can choose to avert his eyes, or to stare and look with lust. He can treat the young women like sisters, or he can try to manipulate them into bed with him. It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin if he gives in to the temptation.
Something else to keep in mind is how demons work on people's minds. I believe the project thoughts into people's minds to confuse and convince them, and that this happens with a lot of things including false religion, gender confusion, relationship decisions, etc.
Something I'd like to point out is that I do not believe it is a sin to be gender-confused or even to be tempted with same sex attraction. The Bible says that for every temptation, God has provided a way of escape, that we may be able to bear it.
Compare the gender attraction issue to a 19-year-old young man who is tempted to fornicate with women, or just to look at them with lust. Women walking by in high skirts and low tops are a temptation. He can choose to avert his eyes, or to stare and look with lust. He can treat the young women like sisters, or he can try to manipulate them into bed with him. It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin if he gives in to the temptation.
Something else to keep in mind is how demons work on people's minds. I believe the project thoughts into people's minds to confuse and convince them, and that this happens with a lot of things including false religion, gender confusion, relationship decisions, etc.
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That's the problem right there. The idea is not to make the Bible fit your perspective; it's to let the Bible change your perspective.
The Bible is there to change you, not the other way around.
A God a lot smarter than them has already given His Word on the subject. I would go with Him. At our smartest, He's smarter.
1 Corinthians 1:25 - "For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength."
The Bible is there to change you, not the other way around.
A God a lot smarter than them has already given His Word on the subject. I would go with Him. At our smartest, He's smarter.
1 Corinthians 1:25 - "For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength."
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So, basically, it takes the fact that man was made in God's image, puts a spin on that story-- one way of reading it-- and totally disregards so much other commentary, or explains it away with sophistry and excuses.
I've heard some of this stuff before. What the Bible say about cross-dressing and same-gender sexual behavior is all negative. There is nothing positive in there.
Now, God is calling all men to repent. Are you willing to let go of past beliefs and be a disciple of Jesus? A disciple of Jesus must be His student and His follower. It requires a transformation of your thinking.
I've heard some of this stuff before. What the Bible say about cross-dressing and same-gender sexual behavior is all negative. There is nothing positive in there.
Now, God is calling all men to repent. Are you willing to let go of past beliefs and be a disciple of Jesus? A disciple of Jesus must be His student and His follower. It requires a transformation of your thinking.
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i thank you Lord Jesus for never calling me an Abomination, or of a depraved and reprobate mind as it has been written and as it has been said, Thank you Lord Jesus. You called us to be eunnanchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake, saying not every man can accept this saying but those that can should, and yet the Father in heaven said to go forth be fruitful and multiply. I know that You showed us that is not necessarily a sexual meaning for You called 12 disciples and they called others and so on therefore making You fruitfull as You multiplied. Also Adam was created a man, and also was women created from man, therefore could that be as to why we have the intersex? For Adam could have been the man he was created to be or the woman that was created out of him as in let them be intertwined for they ARE one. Thank you brethren for the discussion and considering, and thank you Lord Jesus for being You. Amen
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Evidence for any of this, please. Because you really could say any old bollocks and we'd 'have' to believe you. Also, Adam was not androgynous. He was very much a male. And Eve was very much a female. In fact, Adam was the manliest man that ever lived and Eve was the most womanly woman that ever lived, simply because they lived (for a short time) in perfect relationship with their Creator God and they weren't affected (for a short time) by sin and its consequences. They were made in the image of God. Male and female. That's it.
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No. The man in the dog suit is only claiming to be a dog in this video. He's actually a mature, conservative (as in biblically-sound) Christian who dressed up as a dog to prove a point. In this post-truth world, anything goes. As long as it makes the person happy. Which is the complete antithesis of what the Bible teaches about truth and loving your neighbour as yourself.
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The man in the dog suit is not claiming to be a dog; he is asking people if making himself look like a dog actually makes him a dog. In connection to the issue of gender dysphoria one would have to assume he is attempting to make the point that a male who makes himself look like a female (or vice versa) is no more a female than a guy in a dog suit is a dog.
Hey Jazz -- Can you tell me where you got this understanding, that there were intersex people in the Bible that were asked to choose their gender? Or is that not what you're saying?
Also there are a lot of genetic problems in humanity which no one considers to be coming from God. God gave man power over creation, and because man abused that power, sickness & disease occurred. This includes birth defects like intersex disorders -- and they are called disorders for a reason, they inhibit the genitals from reproducing. They are not functionally androgynous.
God continues to allow those things, because he put them under our power to solve with Christ. That does not mean they are God's intention or God's design. Would you also say that down's syndrome, cleft palate, conjoined twins are God's design?
Also, how can you go from a few people having birth defects, to say that everyone else can also redefine themselves based on their mental state?
If someone feels dissonance with their physical sex, they do not need to reinvent the world to suit their dissonance. They need God to heal them of whatever is causing the dissonance.
Also there are a lot of genetic problems in humanity which no one considers to be coming from God. God gave man power over creation, and because man abused that power, sickness & disease occurred. This includes birth defects like intersex disorders -- and they are called disorders for a reason, they inhibit the genitals from reproducing. They are not functionally androgynous.
God continues to allow those things, because he put them under our power to solve with Christ. That does not mean they are God's intention or God's design. Would you also say that down's syndrome, cleft palate, conjoined twins are God's design?
Also, how can you go from a few people having birth defects, to say that everyone else can also redefine themselves based on their mental state?
If someone feels dissonance with their physical sex, they do not need to reinvent the world to suit their dissonance. They need God to heal them of whatever is causing the dissonance.
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Sorry, sis. I messed that up. You're right. He's not claiming to be a dog. He's asking people if making himself look like a dog actually makes him a dog. 
)I agree with approaching people with the loving truth of God; however the dog analogy isn't far off, because some people literally think they are dogs. It is part of the dissonance-driven culture. People must not let their dissonance and their feelings define them, but instead surrender those feelings to the Spirit of Truth and letting him dismantle them by revealing their source and removing them.
The Gospel is about transformation into a new creation; the world has no power to make itself new without Christ, so it has to rebrand corruption of the soul into a counterfeit form of transformation. And of course that creates suffering, either for them, or once they have completely surrendered to it, it creates suffering by dividing them from everyone who disagrees and inflaming the social discussion. "The soul is a wonderful servant but a cruel master"
However, when believers respond with a bad attitude, they make the truth harder to accept, and that attitude is coming from their soul too, not from the love of God. God loves these people. If we want to see the world transformed, we must also be transformed to love these people like God does.
The Gospel is about transformation into a new creation; the world has no power to make itself new without Christ, so it has to rebrand corruption of the soul into a counterfeit form of transformation. And of course that creates suffering, either for them, or once they have completely surrendered to it, it creates suffering by dividing them from everyone who disagrees and inflaming the social discussion. "The soul is a wonderful servant but a cruel master"
However, when believers respond with a bad attitude, they make the truth harder to accept, and that attitude is coming from their soul too, not from the love of God. God loves these people. If we want to see the world transformed, we must also be transformed to love these people like God does.
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