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I have read through the posts and have to say that I don't agree with most of you guys.
I think the Bible can be read from a queer perspective, and inform a Christian spirituality and morality non the less. There is much to be said on this issue and I am new to the study. But basically I do have to assert two things
1. That I have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
2. That people a lot smarter than I have written on the subject in the affirmative of queer Christian spirituality and I am studying and agree so far.
I think the Bible can be read from a queer perspective, and inform a Christian spirituality and morality non the less. There is much to be said on this issue and I am new to the study. But basically I do have to assert two things
1. That I have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
2. That people a lot smarter than I have written on the subject in the affirmative of queer Christian spirituality and I am studying and agree so far.
You know queer means weird right? There is a reason this is a queer perspective.
I know there are people who try to defend homosexual behavior. One approach is the abuse of cultural and historical approaches to scripture. This is very common. It goes like this, the reason X is in the Bible because of all these cultural things. Since those cultural things dont' apply, the passage doesn't apply.
For example, when I Corinthians 6 says that arsenokoite and malakos (whom some scholars take to refer to pitcher and catcher, pardon the terminology, since it's about as least graphic as I can think of) won't inherit the kingdom of God, they say, oh, it's talking about men molesting boys. One of the 'gay' 'churches' held to this view. Of course, if you think about it, they are condemning little kids for being raped and molested. That's pretty sick.
Then they argue that the Romans knew nothing of consensual adult relationships, so Romans 1 must be talking about that. But the passages says 'men with men working that which is unseemly.' It doesn't say men with one another. It says they burned in their lusts one toward another, not that it was nonconsensual. The apologists say the passage is talking about 'that which is against nature' and then argue homosexual behavior is in their nature. That's just pure sophistry. Of course the people who engage in such things want to do them. The passage says they burned in their lusts for one another. The desire for one another is already established in the passage.
The homosexual apologist arguments are based on the idea that if someone lusts for something sexually, it must be right. The Bible says to flee fleshly lusts, which war against the soul. You may say they have loving feelings for one another. So do many adulterers, but it is still sinful. The couple in adultery may have strong, passionate caring feelings for one another as they hold each other. But what they are doing is still a sin.
I know there are people who try to defend homosexual behavior. One approach is the abuse of cultural and historical approaches to scripture. This is very common. It goes like this, the reason X is in the Bible because of all these cultural things. Since those cultural things dont' apply, the passage doesn't apply.
For example, when I Corinthians 6 says that arsenokoite and malakos (whom some scholars take to refer to pitcher and catcher, pardon the terminology, since it's about as least graphic as I can think of) won't inherit the kingdom of God, they say, oh, it's talking about men molesting boys. One of the 'gay' 'churches' held to this view. Of course, if you think about it, they are condemning little kids for being raped and molested. That's pretty sick.
Then they argue that the Romans knew nothing of consensual adult relationships, so Romans 1 must be talking about that. But the passages says 'men with men working that which is unseemly.' It doesn't say men with one another. It says they burned in their lusts one toward another, not that it was nonconsensual. The apologists say the passage is talking about 'that which is against nature' and then argue homosexual behavior is in their nature. That's just pure sophistry. Of course the people who engage in such things want to do them. The passage says they burned in their lusts for one another. The desire for one another is already established in the passage.
The homosexual apologist arguments are based on the idea that if someone lusts for something sexually, it must be right. The Bible says to flee fleshly lusts, which war against the soul. You may say they have loving feelings for one another. So do many adulterers, but it is still sinful. The couple in adultery may have strong, passionate caring feelings for one another as they hold each other. But what they are doing is still a sin.
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My question to you is what is more important, the identity you have built for yourself, or your identity in Christ? The book of Romans teaches Christians to consider themselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God.
I know that there are people in the LGBT movement who treat the movement and its philosophy like a religion. You have to choose what you are going to believe in. Are you going to take up the cross and follow Jesus, or are you going to stick with this homosexual world view.
Do you love Jesus enough, if you are convinced that homosexual activity is sinful, that you would repent of being 'LGBT.' If you are promoting something that God does not want, are you going to be faithful to God and choose God over these other things? It seems to me like a lot of people promoting so-called 'queer Christianity' are more concerned about the LGBT agenda than they truly are in serving God. It's like they want to change Christian beliefs to conform with a philosophy that is more important to them, so their group can be accepted. Convince the media. Convince the courts. Convince the church. The real religion is LGBT. Faithfulness to that cause, rather than to God.
I would encourage you to be discipled in the faith. Find someone or people to teach you the word of God. At some point, if you follow Christ, you should be baptized into Christ. The Bible teaches those who come to Christ to repent and bring forth fruits meet unto repentence.
I know that there are people in the LGBT movement who treat the movement and its philosophy like a religion. You have to choose what you are going to believe in. Are you going to take up the cross and follow Jesus, or are you going to stick with this homosexual world view.
Do you love Jesus enough, if you are convinced that homosexual activity is sinful, that you would repent of being 'LGBT.' If you are promoting something that God does not want, are you going to be faithful to God and choose God over these other things? It seems to me like a lot of people promoting so-called 'queer Christianity' are more concerned about the LGBT agenda than they truly are in serving God. It's like they want to change Christian beliefs to conform with a philosophy that is more important to them, so their group can be accepted. Convince the media. Convince the courts. Convince the church. The real religion is LGBT. Faithfulness to that cause, rather than to God.
I would encourage you to be discipled in the faith. Find someone or people to teach you the word of God. At some point, if you follow Christ, you should be baptized into Christ. The Bible teaches those who come to Christ to repent and bring forth fruits meet unto repentence.
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It is my understanding there were intersexed people in biblical times.
How were they socialized? There were no operations. As I understand it they were asked to CHOOSE which gender they were going to live by. I find this significant. If God creates an intersexed person, and in the days prior to operation ONE approach to this reality is for them to choose their gender. Isnt God creating an avenue for gender variance. In fact Adam was androgynous. This is accepted reality.
How were they socialized? There were no operations. As I understand it they were asked to CHOOSE which gender they were going to live by. I find this significant. If God creates an intersexed person, and in the days prior to operation ONE approach to this reality is for them to choose their gender. Isnt God creating an avenue for gender variance. In fact Adam was androgynous. This is accepted reality.
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I believe you're a Christian. All Christians have some sort of sin in their lives. I have them, trust me. I'm sure you do as well. I am sure everyone in this forum has them also, and still claim to be a Christian. It doesn't mean we're supposed to be perfect, just that we're striving to be as close to the reflection of Christ as we can. As God directs me, I turn away from sins I didn't even realize were sinful things last week, let alone when I first came to God. As you focus your life on Christ, pray, praise God, and learn as much about His nature, you will learn of sin in your life as well to change. I sincerely hope you allow God to mold you, as well, regardless of where this takes you in your walk.
Peace!!
Peace!!
K
There are many people who do come here to stir up controversy and then leave. So that makes it very hard to know who is sincere and who is not. If you are a new Christian I hope you will pray about what you are doing and really truly with an open heart and mind ask God if this really is the path He has for your life. God is not going to say something is wrong in His Word and then change His mind later. Im just hoping you will mature and grow as a Christian and I guarantee you you will change your path if you truly want to please Him.
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Intersexed? What does that mean? Is it the small number of people with a genetic defect and it is not clear what their organs are like? I dont' know if the Egyptians had these issues, but God gave Israel promises about if they were obedient, He would put among them none of the sicknesses that He put on the Egyptians.
There were people with abnormal sexual desires. There were men who would be tempted to have sex with other men. God told Israel to deal with it by putting men who did such things to death. There were people who would be tempted to have sex with animals. God told Israel to deal with such people by putting them to death>
As for people born with unclear parts, Jesus said there were some who were born eunuchs from their mother's womb. That was in a time when eunuchs typically did not marry.
Are you born with clear parts and DNA. If you are, you shouldn't allow yourself to be confused. If this is the case, the problem is in your mind.
We live in a world that has all kinds of sickness and disease. Adam sinned, and it brought a lot of problems with it. Death came into the world through Adam.
Some people think that. Rashi thought the front part was Adam and the back part was Eve. (Trying to describe it. I don't know which side he said was the front.) That's just one interpretation. Another way of thinking it is God taking a rib out of a man and making a woman.
Whatever the way it happened, after it was done, he had a man and a woman. Genesis also says he made them male and female.
We learn some time before kindergarten that men and women are different, that boys and girls are different. Some LGBT folks want to confuse all that. It promotes their agenda. This confuses certain children and even adults like yourself.
There were people with abnormal sexual desires. There were men who would be tempted to have sex with other men. God told Israel to deal with it by putting men who did such things to death. There were people who would be tempted to have sex with animals. God told Israel to deal with such people by putting them to death>
As for people born with unclear parts, Jesus said there were some who were born eunuchs from their mother's womb. That was in a time when eunuchs typically did not marry.
Are you born with clear parts and DNA. If you are, you shouldn't allow yourself to be confused. If this is the case, the problem is in your mind.
We live in a world that has all kinds of sickness and disease. Adam sinned, and it brought a lot of problems with it. Death came into the world through Adam.
Some people think that. Rashi thought the front part was Adam and the back part was Eve. (Trying to describe it. I don't know which side he said was the front.) That's just one interpretation. Another way of thinking it is God taking a rib out of a man and making a woman.
Whatever the way it happened, after it was done, he had a man and a woman. Genesis also says he made them male and female.
We learn some time before kindergarten that men and women are different, that boys and girls are different. Some LGBT folks want to confuse all that. It promotes their agenda. This confuses certain children and even adults like yourself.
Does going to the bathroom and checking yourself out not work for you? If the doctor did not mess you up in some kind of operation, you can do that. It's not some big confusing thing unless you have a serious birth defect.
How is what you are proposing different from the man in the dog suit claiming to be a dog?
How is what you are proposing different from the man in the dog suit claiming to be a dog?
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