Cancer treatment choices

[Eli1]

@Fundaamental has the right approach, which is body, mind and soul. I mentioned this in another topic where some countries offer this as a standard service.
In US, for political and financial reasons these things are not one but separated. Doctors treat you as a bunch of cells with no humanity involved and a quack wants to give you gasoline to put out the fire.
What you need is the holistic approach which combines all treatments in harmony and this kind of approach exists in US too but it's not covered by insurances and is very expensive.

What you typically see as it's evident by this WHOLE section of this forum is that when one side hears Chemo they get triggered and think of words such as "mark of the beast, 666, big pharma, gubment, they/them, new world order, population control" or whatever and they suggest quackery.

However in reality, when chemo or radiation or immunotherapy is offered in combination with a specific diet for the type of cancer as well as spiritually by involving mediation or prayer music, with incense or aromatherapy combined with showing positive news such as miracles, then that's when you see the most effect in beating cancer.

Now of course everyone has free-will to drink kool-aid when dealing with cancer but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

 

[Karlon]

Cancer is a bit different to broken bones and pain and pinched nerves. Those are relatively easy to heal and come right, but cancer is a different beast and its on the cellular level, its not just a bump or bruise that can be kissed or touched better.

I think poultices and baths can be overlooked as healing methods.

Cancer is a bit different to broken bones and pain and pinched nerves. Those are relatively easy to heal and come right, but cancer is a different beast and its on the cellular level, its not just a bump or bruise that can be kissed or touched better.

I think poultices and baths can be overlooked as healing methods.

i didn't read the whole article but the question i read. but the part where you said broken bones are easy to heal, i didn't have any. all the situations i had were healed by miracles of Jesus.

 

[Fundaamental]

Cancer is a bit different to broken bones and pain and pinched nerves. Those are relatively easy to heal and come right, but cancer is a different beast and its on the cellular level, its not just a bump or bruise that can be kissed or touched better.

I think poultices and baths can be overlooked as healing methods.

sweating toxins out of the body daily for 15 mins at least.

Theses toxins build up in the body from something called free radicals, free radical are in everything from water to food to the air we breath. To chemicals.

A daily bath is good or sauna.

Changing tap water to o rain water for drinks and steaming all food is another for the prevention of buildup of free radicals.

There are some cancers proven to come from free radicals I'll find the info soon.

But just one thing on vaping,
So far it's not been proven to cause cancer.

Check this link out

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful#:~:text=There is no good evidence,over time with continued use.

Also cancer research UK is backed up by our NHS service.

Vaping can cause throat irritations.

So it's early days whether it can cause cancer. But if you unsure than don't do it. Is what I would say.

Because as you've mentioned feeling safe when digesting anything is also important to mental health and confidence, Which is also important to fighting diseases.,

I' have a belief, if you live in doubt of anything for to long it causes a chemical reaction in your body.

I would also add putting to much oils on the body daily can clog up your Poor's which can stop free radical coming out .

 

[Fundaamental]

@Fundaamental has the right approach, which is body, mind and soul. I mentioned this in another topic where some countries offer this as a standard service.
In US, for political and financial reasons these things are not one but separated. Doctors treat you as a bunch of cells with no humanity involved and a quack wants to give you gasoline to put out the fire.
What you need is the holistic approach which combines all treatments in harmony and this kind of approach exists in US too but it's not covered by insurances and is very expensive.

What you typically see as it's evident by this WHOLE section of this forum is that when one side hears Chemo they get triggered and think of words such as "mark of the beast, 666, big pharma, gubment, they/them, new world order, population control" or whatever and they suggest quackery.

However in reality, when chemo or radiation or immunotherapy is offered in combination with a specific diet for the type of cancer as well as spiritually by involving mediation or prayer music, with incense or aromatherapy combined with showing positive news such as miracles, then that's when you see the most effect in beating cancer.

Now of course everyone has free-will to drink kool-aid when dealing with cancer but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

agreed totally with this. 👍.

I use frankincense daily.
I love my defuser.. it's on every night without fail.

 

[Fundaamental]

I do strongly feel like you @Eli1

That the time has come for immunotherapy to be available for free on the NHS and at a more affordable realist price, and to be used combined with other treatments,

There's such a problem with theese cost spiraling out of control.

I just read an article that one set of life saving drugs was available for free on the NHS UK for one type of cancer in Scotland and Wales but not England

The drug it's self is only 250 UK pounds a month.

 

[Eli1]

I do strongly feel like you @Eli1

That the time has come for immunotherapy to be available for free on the NHS and at a more affordable realist price, and to be used combined with other treatments,

There's such a problem with theese cost spiraling out of control.

I just read an article that one set of life saving drugs was available for free on the NHS UK for one type of cancer in Scotland and Wales but not England

The drug itsself is only 250 UK pounds a month.

The immunotherapy treatment is covered by insurances in US, at least northeast US. But it is very expensive so insurances want people to go through chemo or radiation first cos those are cheaper for now, but as with everything new, we hope that immunotherapy becomes cheaper so people don’t have to suffer through chemo.

One treatment of immunotherapy now with a drug such as Keytruda for example, can cost around 80K to 120k. The schedule is one treatment per month for an average of two years. You do the math.
However it is part of the standard process now which is good news. Ten years ago it was considered experimental here and one of my wife’s friends who had stage 4 breast cancer and they didn’t give her much time, she tried this experimental treatment 10 years ago and she’s alive and healthy today. Thank God because she had 6 year old children back then.

What‘s new here is gene therapy which I think is even better than immunotherapy. This new method is where immunotherapy was 10 years ago in terms of trials and approvals by the FDA.
This is how cancer should be treated.

The best case for this is an army pilot who because was flying experimental planes with a lot of radiation or chemicals, he got cancer. He’s very angry at the army now but that’s besides the point.
By all accounts he should be dead because he has cancer all over his body. He should have been dead 2 years ago.
But, because they put him on gene therapy not only he‘s alive now but his cancers all over his body are being eradicated.
So there you go, this will be treated like a chronic disease in 5-10 years hopefully.

 

[Fundaamental]

The immunotherapy treatment is covered by insurances in US, at least northeast US. But it is very expensive so insurances want people to go through chemo or radiation first cos those are cheaper for now, but as with everything new, we hope that immunotherapy becomes cheaper so people don’t have to suffer through chemo.

One treatment of immunotherapy now with a drug such as Keytruda for example, can cost around 80K to 120k. The schedule is one treatment per month for an average of two years. You do the math.
However it is part of the standard process now which is good news. Ten years ago it was considered experimental here and one of my wife’s friends who had stage 4 breast cancer and they didn’t give her much time, she tried this experimental treatment 10 years ago and she’s alive and healthy today. Thank God because she had 6 year old children back then.

What‘s new here is gene therapy which I think is even better than immunotherapy. This new method is where immunotherapy was 10 years ago in terms of trials and approvals by the FDA.
This is how cancer should be treated.

The best case for this is an army pilot who because was flying experimental planes with a lot of radiation or chemicals, he got cancer. He’s very angry at the army now but that’s besides the point.
By all accounts he should be dead because he has cancer all over his body. He should have been dead 2 years ago.
But, because they put him on gene therapy not only he‘s alive now but his cancers all over his body are being eradicated.
So there you go, this will be treated like a chronic disease in 5-10 years hopefully.

awesome news 🙂..

It's nice to hear success stories,

Do you have the exact name for treatment, is it cell based immune therapy,

 

[Eli1]

awesome news 🙂..

It's nice to hear success stories,

Do you have the exact name for treatment, is it cell based immune therapy,

I think the medical name is called "T-Cell" therapy but i'm not sure. I will ask next week when i run into a doctor during my job.
T-Cells are amazing things.

When we look at God's Creation in this Earth, we see that almost all living creatures, large or small, can be affected by cancer. The larger the animal, like an elephant the higher the chances, but even a small cat can get cancer.

However, the whales, which are quite large don't get cancer. Only God knows why the whales have this fighting ability but the way it works is that the whale's T-Cells simply "see" and "cut" the bad Cancer DNA and the cancer is dead right then and there .... and the whale doesn't even know it.

This is what TCELL Therapy does, it programs your TCells to fight the specific cancer. Whales were the inspiration.

 

[Eli1]

When i try to look at this from a spiritual perspective, i would love to know all the details but those won't be known to us until God reveals them to us after His second coming so for now they remain a mystery.

The best i've come up with is this:

God's Creation was perfect before The Fall. So right then and there, i don't know if our bodies were designed differently by God or if we had the same flesh and blood as we do now but by eating from the Tree Of Life, maybe there are nutrients in there which make the body incorruptible. This however doesn't make a lot of sense because as we've talked countless times here in this forum alone, Jesus's resurrected body had a duality which is very hard to explain. He could go through walls but He could also eat food. So again things get confusing and more mysterious.

So based on that, on our current fallen state now, we still have bodies created by God but due to original sin we have imperfections. This is a free-will choice that we made, to gain more appreciation for God i've reasoned.
So our cells in our bodies work in perfect harmony like God intended, however cancer cells are cells which don't obey this command. They want to do their own thing.
So maybe these cells could be considered to be somewhat "evil" or coming from an "evil spirit" or are simply the by-product of our original free-will choice when we tried to gain Knowledge instead of Trust/Faith. Maybe this inperfection was built-in the creation and was allowed only after we made our choice, or maybe the imperfection is the result of the Devil who was allowed to have more "juristiction" into our fallen world.

I dunno. What i do know is that the emotional and spiritual aspect of any type of suffering is the most important. The physical aspect is secondary. We do our best with our knowledge to help a suffering child or a suffering parent.
But i also know many cases where through prayer alone or miracles from God (for which i have a topic) things can get cured immediately.
One of the prayers in our church for the sick goes "Jesus Christ the physician of our souls, please help [Name] and lay your healing hand on him/her to cure him/her from [disease].
I sometimes pray for God to just say the word so the person can be healed. He is the Creator. If it is His will, it will be done. It's as simple as that.

 

[Fundaamental]

I think the medical name is called "T-Cell" therapy but i'm not sure. I will ask next week when i run into a doctor during my job.
T-Cells are amazing things.

When we look at God's Creation in this Earth, we see that almost all living creatures, large or small, can be affected by cancer. The larger the animal, like an elephant the higher the chances, but even a small cat can get cancer.

However, the whales, which are quite large don't get cancer. Only God knows why the whales have this fighting ability but the way it works is that the whale's T-Cells simply "see" and "cut" the bad Cancer DNA and the cancer is dead right then and there .... and the whale doesn't even know it.

This is what TCELL Therapy does, it programs your TCells to fight the specific cancer. Whales were the inspiration.

yes it's the same thing I was I refering to, the t cells are white blood cells,

They take them out of the patient, and program them in a lab to bind to the type of tumor they are treating. They then put the t cells back in and they then bind to the tumor. Shrinking them and even eradicating them.

I think the success rate is 50 percent of patients at present are living a lot longer many years longer in fact.

I'm not sure but I think the success rate is 50 percent for blood cancers, kidney lung and lymphomas, lymph noids, etc.

The fact that it's treating advanced tumours in vital organs is really promising, and I believe it has become the standard treatment for these cancers, but not everywhere, because of the costs.

 

[Fundaamental]

When i try to look at this from a spiritual perspective, i would love to know all the details but those won't be known to us until God reveals them to us after His second coming so for now they remain a mystery.

The best i've come up with is this:

God's Creation was perfect before The Fall. So right then and there, i don't know if our bodies were designed differently by God or if we had the same flesh and blood as we do now but by eating from the Tree Of Life, maybe there are nutrients in there which make the body incorruptible. This however doesn't make a lot of sense because as we've talked countless times here in this forum alone, Jesus's resurrected body had a duality which is very hard to explain. He could go through walls but He could also eat food. So again things get confusing and more mysterious.

So based on that, on our current fallen state now, we still have bodies created by God but due to original sin we have imperfections. This is a free-will choice that we made, to gain more appreciation for God i've reasoned.
So our cells in our bodies work in perfect harmony like God intended, however cancer cells are cells which don't obey this command. They want to do their own thing.
So maybe these cells could be considered to be somewhat "evil" or coming from an "evil spirit" or are simply the by-product of our original free-will choice when we tried to gain Knowledge instead of Trust/Faith. Maybe this inperfection was built-in the creation and was allowed only after we made our choice, or maybe the imperfection is the result of the Devil who was allowed to have more "juristiction" into our fallen world.

I dunno. What i do know is that the emotional and spiritual aspect of any type of suffering is the most important. The physical aspect is secondary. We do our best with our knowledge to help a suffering child or a suffering parent.
But i also know many cases where through prayer alone or miracles from God (for which i have a topic) things can get cured immediately.
One of the prayers in our church for the sick goes "Jesus Christ the physician of our souls, please help [Name] and lay your healing hand on him/her to cure him/her from [disease].
I sometimes pray for God to just say the word so the person can be healed. He is the Creator. If it is His will, it will be done. It's as simple as that.

nice prayer, there's so many in need,

People suffer mental anguish so bad with this disease and you need to develop a strong heart to cope, this is where my prayers would go

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

yes it's the same thing I was I refering to, the t cells are white blood cells,

They take them out of the patient, and program them in a lab to bind to the type of tumor they are treating. They then put the t cells back in and they then bind to the tumor. Shrinking them and even eradicating them.

I think the success rate is 50 percent of patients at present are living a lot longer many years longer in fact.

I'm not sure but I think the success rate is 50 percent for blood cancers, kidney lung and lymphomas, lymph noids, etc.

The fact that it's treating advanced tumours in vital organs is really promising, and I believe it has become the standard treatment for these cancers, but not everywhere, because of the costs.

There are low cost botanicals that help the body respond and boost the killer T Cells ten fold and more. These cannot be patented because Jesus created them. The information has been censored, suppressed and banned by major platforms due to the medical mafia.

 

[Lanolin]

There are low cost botanicals that help the body respond and boost the killer T Cells ten fold and more. These cannot be patented because Jesus created them. The information has been censored, suppressed and banned by major platforms due to the medical mafia.

Herb Robert?

Garlic

Grapes

 

[Eli1]

Scientists have figured out a way to detonate the 'doors' that lead to the heart of cancerous tumors, blowing them wide open for drug treatments.

The strategy works by triggering a 'timer bomb' on the cells that line a tumor's associated blood vessels.

These vessels control access to the tumor tissue, and until they are opened, engineered immune cells can't easily gain entry to the cancer to fight it off.

Scientists Find 'Kill Switch' That Activates Cancer Cell Death in The Lab (msn.com)

 

[Fundaamental]

Scientists have figured out a way to detonate the 'doors' that lead to the heart of cancerous tumors, blowing them wide open for drug treatments.

The strategy works by triggering a 'timer bomb' on the cells that line a tumor's associated blood vessels.

These vessels control access to the tumor tissue, and until they are opened, engineered immune cells can't easily gain entry to the cancer to fight it off.

Scientists Find 'Kill Switch' That Activates Cancer Cell Death in The Lab (msn.com)

hopefully this will be the breakthrough that doctors have been working hard to find 🙂.

 

[uncle_mike]

Horse dewormer and dog dewormer. Conduct some serious research. And you'll get the answers.

Ivermectin?

 

[IloveViethoney]

I am reading books about documented cases of people who successfully decided to try natural ways to get well from even the most serious types of cancer. Some did it completely through diet and lifestyle changes, some through a combination of conventionally recommended chemotherapy and such.

I am reading that chemotherapy, though often very successful, causes damage to the body and a lot to the immune system. Factors like this do need thought. So much suffering is caused by it's side effects, but of course it has it's place in treatment.


Of course it is entirely individual choice as each patient has their own opinion over what to do with doctors recommendations. Yet there ARE cases of complete recovery from cancer by entirely natural means of supporting one's immune system. It is a brave choice and some people are successful in finding the key to unlocking their own ability to heal. This is so interesting as I think it is not really an area of great research. Doctors tend to dismiss rare completely natural remissions.

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion or experience or knowledge of someone recovering without medical help?
Do keep in mind I am merely curious, not telling anyone what to do and certainly not seeking arguments. Cancer is so common now and is very scary, it is best to know we have a choice over how to tackle it.
One book I am reading is 'Cancer: Survivors Stories: They did it. You can too,' by Jonathan Chamberlain.

Another is Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg. Also The Cancer Survivors Club by Chris Geiger.

The cases in these books are inspirational and often very moving, about very brave patients who knew first hand what it is to face serious illness.

I have heard of using layatrile (probably spelled wrong) from apricot seeds to cure cancer. Someone mentioned using "Indian black sav." These things are worth researching.

The dancing violinist called Lindsey Stirling had a keyboard player named Gavi who became her best friend. He went through chemo and was okay for awhile. Then he died of a heart problem. I think he was about 27.

 

[rrcn]

I have heard of using layatrile (probably spelled wrong) from apricot seeds to cure cancer. Someone mentioned using "Indian black sav." These things are worth researching.

The dancing violinist called Lindsey Stirling had a keyboard player named Gavi who became her best friend. He went through chemo and was okay for awhile. Then he died of a heart problem. I think he was about 27.

Google Renee Cassie, she was given an herbal formula and named it Essiac (her last name spelled backward). I have seen it work.

 

[Moses_Young]

I have heard of using layatrile (probably spelled wrong) from apricot seeds to cure cancer. Someone mentioned using "Indian black sav." These things are worth researching.

The dancing violinist called Lindsey Stirling had a keyboard player named Gavi who became her best friend. He went through chemo and was okay for awhile. Then he died of a heart problem. I think he was about 27.

Someone I knew tried the apricot kernals. It didn't work for her, and she was eating *lots* of them - until her mouth was sore. The apricot kernals were purchased (rather than taken from home-grown apricots) so it could have been the processing, but if I had cancer, I would put this toward the back of my list, unless I have a better understanding of the treatment and the reason some apricot kernals work, and others don't.

 

[rrcn]

Someone I knew tried the apricot kernals. It didn't work for her, and she was eating *lots* of them - until her mouth was sore. The apricot kernals were purchased (rather than taken from home-grown apricots) so it could have been the processing, but if I had cancer, I would put this toward the back of my list, unless I have a better understanding of the treatment and the reason some apricot kernals work, and others don't.

https://drday.com/ has some info on this. This woman survived a breast tumor and just died last year.