Strictly Miscellaneous

Probably a person that wants to be noticed for their part In salvation or a works salvationist.🙂

I think GOD In CHRIST communicates with a person SPIRIT to spirit and the person’s physical works comes second or Is a result of receiving this mercy and salvation being a new creation.

Yes. But the context was not about salvation. If a servant says "I will go", and he does not, his words do not mean anything. I was saying I think that's the intention of the passage in saying "faith without works is dead."

An experience recently due to losing vision... I walk my dog away from the house every day before sunrise. About three months ago,, on the street just before the dog designated are of a park I saw a heavy narrow white gate.
Approaching it I realized it was my trickly vision and not a gate. Anyways I kept6 seeing it mornng after morning, so I deccided it was a gift from Father. I walked through it though it was not there, only the place of it, and I said within, enter by the narrow gate and this narrow gate is Jesus/Yeshua.
I continue doing this, and each day it is more uplifting. I believe it is quite a gift and I thank our Father for His personal care of each of us.
Yes the Gate is our Lord, amen. (Let's enter.)

I see what you mean but still the question remains Is faith without works dead to GOD or dead to man?Men need to see but GOD looks at faith.Faith Is not dead to GOD but It Is dead to men who need to see If what you are saying Is true. Like James said,show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.

Uhm, so I request for your feedback on what Jesus said about a mustard seed-size faith moving even a mountain.


What do you think is faith that does not work? There are different sizes, and if sizes differ, I think it could be 0 faith.

The thief on the cross did no work was his faith without works dead to GOD?

Again, the passage in James isn't about Salvation, and the Crucifixion of Christ was more about this
The whole purpose was to cut the earthly man Adam off the Church and let her marry Christ the spiritual man, new Adam. (1 Cor 15:45)

Now most Christians probably have heard of the Resurrection of the dead. (1 Thess 4:16, Rev 20:4). Will you say that the thief that died together won't come back to life with these to judge?


Salvation is free. You're not forgiven your sins by your works, but by grace. But where is forgiveness if one keeps committing sins?

Since the thief had the wisdom to believe in Salvation, I would imagine he would do the will of God if he came back to life.

So my answer would be God probably saw faith in the thief nonetheless for the deeds that will follow (Rev 14:13)
He knows the hearts of men. Works to him are not for showin off. But I suppose the thief and we all have to be mindful of God in the things we do as servants.

Believing God is works, only He knows if one does.

The Crucifixion fulfilled the lamb sacrifice of exodus and various other things including the death of high priest (Num 35), so probably should not have stated "the whole purpose." (But was too late for edit.)

Then what do these mean?
It seems to be referring to something more than just believing. What do you think?


It seems that this part of Scripture does not say that believing=works. It is contrary to what it reads. And

It's not justifying works themselves. Works mean nothing without God; however, is it not true that Abraham did what he did because he believed and DID THE WILL of God? So, my understanding is that works follow he who really has faith.

This "works" doesn't mean labour if my understanding is correct. Instead, I believe it means physical fulfillment of one's faith in natural motion.

If one says "I have faith in God", and he kills someone for any reason, that person's faith is dead. So in that regard, the thief did the right thing at the end. Perhaps he'll do greater things.

Believing there is a god and believing God are distinct.

Believing God encompasses believing Him, and in so believing one will act accordingly.

Even if one siats for God in faith, that person is working. Works do not always mean being a worker of all the gifts, but longsuffering and patience while awaiting our Lord is certainly works.

We should never expect others to do tremendous beats by the grace of God. Look into the hearts whenev er given to, and you will see this is true.

The thief believed Jesus was innocen, and in so declaring demonstrated that all Jesus was accused of was false, and He truly is the Only Begotten of the Father........ like Abraham was reckoned righteous for believing God.

Actually, James (Jacob) 2:19 does not say "that there is a god", but "there is one God" (if this is what you were implying. Sorry if I got it wrong.)

Since EIS means "one", and not "a" which is an indefinite article, and Greek does not have this functionality; it does not have indefinite articles like English. So it does mean "one God."

What I mean is, and what I think James (Jacob) 2 means is that faith comes with action. Naturally. This is why Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. The passage is not about simply believing something is true.

Abraham did this because he believed it. It was simply right and natural for him to do so, for if he had not, he would have shown no faith. It was the only right choice. It was not a choice for him to neglect it.

I believe God, so I will do his will. That's the context here. It's not about being reckoned righteous in the blood of Jesus or being saved. It's about what a servant does WITH his faith.

ONCE SAVED IS NOT (necessarily) ALWAYS SAVED.

I think this James 2 issue is a thing that kinda surrounds this. A lot of false grace-preachers apparently teach this gospel, but if one's faith is dead after being forgiven in the blood of Jesus, who can save him/her? It's a false gospel.

*looks above: MISCELLANEOUS THREAD ........ Title: "STRICTLY MISCELLANEOUS"

tells self:
I AM NOT in BDF
I AM NOT in BDF
I AM NOT in BDF.........

Since GOD looks at the heart then you agree that faith Without works Is not dead to GOD.

Sidenote:This might be a good discussion In the bible discussion forum.