Strictly Miscellaneous
- Thread starter JaumeJ
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I think GOD In CHRIST communicates with a person SPIRIT to spirit and the person’s physical works comes second or Is a result of receiving this mercy and salvation being a new creation.
-
1
- Show all
An experience recently due to losing vision... I walk my dog away from the house every day before sunrise. About three months ago,, on the street just before the dog designated are of a park I saw a heavy narrow white gate.
Approaching it I realized it was my trickly vision and not a gate. Anyways I kept6 seeing it mornng after morning, so I deccided it was a gift from Father. I walked through it though it was not there, only the place of it, and I said within, enter by the narrow gate and this narrow gate is Jesus/Yeshua.
I continue doing this, and each day it is more uplifting. I believe it is quite a gift and I thank our Father for His personal care of each of us.
Yes the Gate is our Lord, amen. (Let's enter.)
Approaching it I realized it was my trickly vision and not a gate. Anyways I kept6 seeing it mornng after morning, so I deccided it was a gift from Father. I walked through it though it was not there, only the place of it, and I said within, enter by the narrow gate and this narrow gate is Jesus/Yeshua.
I continue doing this, and each day it is more uplifting. I believe it is quite a gift and I thank our Father for His personal care of each of us.
Yes the Gate is our Lord, amen. (Let's enter.)
-
1
-
1
-
1
- Show all
I see what you mean but still the question remains Is faith without works dead to GOD or dead to man?Men need to see but GOD looks at faith.Faith Is not dead to GOD but It Is dead to men who need to see If what you are saying Is true. Like James said,show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.
Like James said,show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.
Uhm, so I request for your feedback on what Jesus said about a mustard seed-size faith moving even a mountain.
What do you think is faith that does not work? There are different sizes, and if sizes differ, I think it could be 0 faith.
Mat 17:19-20
Afterward the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?” “Because you have so little faith,” He answered. “For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
What do you think is faith that does not work? There are different sizes, and if sizes differ, I think it could be 0 faith.
Again, the passage in James isn't about Salvation, and the Crucifixion of Christ was more about this
Now most Christians probably have heard of the Resurrection of the dead. (1 Thess 4:16, Rev 20:4). Will you say that the thief that died together won't come back to life with these to judge?
Salvation is free. You're not forgiven your sins by your works, but by grace. But where is forgiveness if one keeps committing sins?
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
The whole purpose was to cut the earthly man Adam off the Church and let her marry Christ the spiritual man, new Adam. (1 Cor 15:45)Now most Christians probably have heard of the Resurrection of the dead. (1 Thess 4:16, Rev 20:4). Will you say that the thief that died together won't come back to life with these to judge?
Rev 19:8
6And I heard a sound like (...) , crying out: “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready.
8She was given clothing of fine linen, bright and pure.”
For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints
Salvation is free. You're not forgiven your sins by your works, but by grace. But where is forgiveness if one keeps committing sins?
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Since the thief had the wisdom to believe in Salvation, I would imagine he would do the will of God if he came back to life.-
1
- Show all
Then what do these mean?
It seems that this part of Scripture does not say that believing=works. It is contrary to what it reads. And
It's not justifying works themselves. Works mean nothing without God; however, is it not true that Abraham did what he did because he believed and DID THE WILL of God? So, my understanding is that works follow he who really has faith.
James (Jacob) 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James (Jacob) 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
It seems to be referring to something more than just believing. What do you think?James (Jacob) 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James (Jacob) 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
It seems that this part of Scripture does not say that believing=works. It is contrary to what it reads. And
It's not justifying works themselves. Works mean nothing without God; however, is it not true that Abraham did what he did because he believed and DID THE WILL of God? So, my understanding is that works follow he who really has faith.
-
1
- Show all
Believing there is a god and believing God are distinct.
Believing God encompasses believing Him, and in so believing one will act accordingly.
Even if one siats for God in faith, that person is working. Works do not always mean being a worker of all the gifts, but longsuffering and patience while awaiting our Lord is certainly works.
We should never expect others to do tremendous beats by the grace of God. Look into the hearts whenev er given to, and you will see this is true.
Believing God encompasses believing Him, and in so believing one will act accordingly.
Even if one siats for God in faith, that person is working. Works do not always mean being a worker of all the gifts, but longsuffering and patience while awaiting our Lord is certainly works.
We should never expect others to do tremendous beats by the grace of God. Look into the hearts whenev er given to, and you will see this is true.
Actually, James (Jacob) 2:19 does not say "that there is a god", but "there is one God" (if this is what you were implying. Sorry if I got it wrong.)
What I mean is, and what I think James (Jacob) 2 means is that faith comes with action. Naturally. This is why Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. The passage is not about simply believing something is true.
I believe God, so I will do his will. That's the context here. It's not about being reckoned righteous in the blood of Jesus or being saved. It's about what a servant does WITH his faith.
that one God/god is
οτι εις θεος εστιν
G3754 G1520 G2316 G2076
Since EIS means "one", and not "a" which is an indefinite article, and Greek does not have this functionality; it does not have indefinite articles like English. So it does mean "one God."What I mean is, and what I think James (Jacob) 2 means is that faith comes with action. Naturally. This is why Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. The passage is not about simply believing something is true.
James (Jacob) 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Abraham did this because he believed it. It was simply right and natural for him to do so, for if he had not, he would have shown no faith. It was the only right choice. It was not a choice for him to neglect it.I believe God, so I will do his will. That's the context here. It's not about being reckoned righteous in the blood of Jesus or being saved. It's about what a servant does WITH his faith.
ONCE SAVED IS NOT (necessarily) ALWAYS SAVED.
I think this James 2 issue is a thing that kinda surrounds this. A lot of false grace-preachers apparently teach this gospel, but if one's faith is dead after being forgiven in the blood of Jesus, who can save him/her? It's a false gospel.
I think this James 2 issue is a thing that kinda surrounds this. A lot of false grace-preachers apparently teach this gospel, but if one's faith is dead after being forgiven in the blood of Jesus, who can save him/her? It's a false gospel.
-
1
- Show all