Is fellowship possible between Calvinists and Arminians?

[PatientSpirit]

Rom 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


I guess they removed this passage from patients bible

No. I just understand them. The wrath of God is revealed. What on that list will you die for according to the flesh? Only Jesus died not having done anything in these verses.

 

[PatientSpirit]

sorry...can't help you.
the ppl in my church are helping each other overcome their sin...not feed it.
i'm suffering as i fight my own. i confess my own sin.

i'm not going to suffer for validating yours.

no, you wouldn't be welcome in my church....unless you are repentant. confessing this as sin.

there are lots of homosexual universalist churches.
why can't you just be happy with that?

Again you label me. Of course I wouldn't be welcomed. Jesus saving all doesn't put money in a collection plate!



And those born of God COMMITS NO SIN! So how's that working for you all?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. I just understand them. The wrath of God is revealed. What on that list will you die for according to the flesh? Only Jesus died not having done anything in these verses.

no you do not understand them, or you would not be saying it is ok to be a homosexual when this passage specifically states God is not only against it but condemns it..

thus there is nothing else to say to you.. as zone said, conversation is finished. Have a nice life.

 

[PatientSpirit]

no you do not understand them, or you would not be saying it is ok to be a homosexual when this passage specifically states God is not only against it but condemns it..

thus there is nothing else to say to you.. as zone said, conversation is finished. Have a nice life.

There are no homosexuals in heaven. These things again have an end in the grave.

 

[Enow]

In all honesty..many things that reform theology adheres to are the very same things that Classical Arminian theology adheres to.

-we believe it is all God,all grace when one is saved
-we believe God is sovereign(albeit not to the high calvinist deterministic definition of Sovereignty)
-we believe in the security of the believer,all believers are secure(in so much as one does not apostacize from the faith, so that is our take on 'eternal security')
-we believe in total depravity, although many accuse of not believing in it. Look at any of the sayings of John Wesley or Arminius..youll see their strong belief in total depravity

All in all, the appeal of the Classical Arminian is and first and foremost is the fact shown in scripture that God is good, and a goodness that is understandable as sincerely and truly good, that he does not make us Robotic automations, that sufficient grace has been bestowed to all me by God himself in so much that they can choose to accept or reject the Gospel, and he does this because he honors us as more than 'stones' and any relationship that is not two fold is at best a manipulative abuse and not a sincere genuine loving relationship. The secondary effect, and result of this is that God has allowed and make provision by giving us libertarian free will.

One thing I have noticed about both sides is that where they seemingly agree upon in sharing a particular position, it doesn't allow much for God pruning it by His words.

Jesus had promised He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him (John 6:39), but yet there will be a falling away from the faith ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2) and so there is a necessity for God to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19) as He has led Paul about excommnication for its purpose: ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-13 nore verse 5 for its purpose) which I believe is the seperation of vessels unto honour from the vessels unto dishonour in His House will occur at the pre tribulational rapture event ( 2 Timothy 2:18-26).

Those who hold to the belief that believers that depart from faith have lost eternal security should recheck that belief before that throne of grace when they read 2 Timothy 2:10-14 in how those denied and thus left behind are still His with 2 Timothy 18-22 as mentioned earlier.

So my point here is that even on common grounds, we have to be ready to give up positional beliefs when scripture reproves one part of that positional beliefs, otherwise, we become carnal in our walk with Him wherein we may not find ourselves bearing more fruit as He would like because we hold to the identity of a position named after a men rather than seeking to be submissive to the Word of God.

1 Corinthians 3: 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.......18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

When believers give up their identity with men's name, they are more apt to be pruned by Him to bear more fruit and be found abiding in Him in word and in truth.