Is fellowship possible between Calvinists and Arminians?

[eternally-gratefull]

YES! How can a gay man be gay, when in Christ there is no male or female?

When I reached puberty, my teachers didn't teach me about girls for fear I my turn those feelings of attraction towards another man! Loving women was just in me. The only thing the world did was influence my preferences (tall short, small big etc). It's the same for them.

The world didn't accept homosexuals before Christ. What has changed?

more importantly. According to the laws of God. Homosexuals were to be put to death by stoning. Although in the new covenant, This no longer is required. according to romans 1. it is still a sin deplorable to God..

and no male or female..

1. In heaven this is true. thus being different does not matter when it comes to eternal life. But here on earth. God tells us we are to leave our parents and be wed to one another. male and female.

he told adam to marry eve, not steve!

However, homosexual sin is no more sin than heterosexual sin. Sin is sin is sin,

 

[zone]

YES! How can a gay man be gay, when in Christ there is no male or female?

When I reached puberty, my teachers didn't teach me about girls for fear I my turn those feelings of attraction towards another man! Loving women was just in me. The only thing the world did was influence my preferences (tall short, small big etc). It's the same for them.

The world didn't accept homosexuals before Christ. What has changed?

end of discussion.

 

[rauleetoe]

what is your main problem?? Why do you keep saying I do not think this is possible. This is your false believe I think this. and not reality!

You and I are discussing can someone lose salvation. Not is it possible for a child of God to live a righteous life. so why would that even be part of the questioning? That is your addition to our conversation. Because you refuse to listen to what i say, you seem to think i have some vendetta against you.l so instead of listening to what i try to say, you put your defensive face on.. and in doing so, you continue to say I do not believe things I do. i believe things I do not. and whatever else comes out.

Not only is it possible for a christian to live according to those principles. THEY WILL.. what they will never be is perfect.

who do you think the babes Paul spoke to in 1 corinthians were? you know the people who still struggled with pride. with sexual sin. with many things. because they still had not learned to trust God (they were babes still learning) thus paul could not teach them advanced things of God because they had not got the basics down yet?? how many of those people died before they grew up and pauls words had a chance to sink in? are they in hell today because they were still babes in christ and still struggling with sin issues? or are they in heaven, because they trusted god to save them. and they had not yet LEARNED what it meant to trust God in all areas of our lives??

I can only say what i say because it seems, that you hate the very thought of holiness. Why..because you yourself said that you had a bad experience with those whom you deemed/called legalistic. So all others who actually believe they can be holy as God is holy, by and through only The Holy spirit, are legalistic? Is that a fair thing to say? Ok, in speaking of fairness.
-perhaps you do not play the grace card/are licentious. I do not know, up until recently it only came across this way. I do not know you personally..nor do you know me..i am just words on a screen to you.
-perhaps my emphasis on holiness is due to seeing the graveness of sin in my past life, in others lives and i am wanting to seek a better way.
-Where you and I disagree is the OSAS concept yes. Will God force you to stay in his ways if you choose to walk out on him? I have seen this happen, i have seen faithfull believers make the concious choice of walking away,knowing that which they do. We cannot have free will if God makes us and forces us to stay..then this is all by divine determinism. Which means we have no free will. OSAS is very much Calvin influenced..this is where you and I detract.
Romans 11, Hebrews 3, and 1 tim 4:1..amongst others..
this does not mean you are saved by works(that is just a relentless broken record reply honestly) But the believer who walks with God is secure! Do you walk with God? If you do, you are eternally secure! Can we agree on the believer who walks with God is secure? If you cannot agree with this, then this means sin is not a big deal anymore..thus easy believism is the answer. I do not say you are saying this, i am merely getting the point across sir EG.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can only say what i say because it seems, that you hate the very thought of holiness.

NO, YOU THINK THIS BECAUSE IT IS WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT. AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I PROVE TO YOU IT IS NOT TRUE. YOU STILL IGNORE IT.

Why..because you yourself said that you had a bad experience with those whom you deemed/called legalistic.

yeah I did.

1. They tell people they must stop sin first. then maybe God will save them. so i saw many people walk away and never get healing (I can only pray they have found it since when someone showed them the true Gospel, that we have to get saved first. then we can get healed. Are you saying this does not offend you? or are you like them??

2. I have had many friends come to Christ, then come to my church, and because they were not healed immediately, and still struggled with A FEW SINS, although they had great victory in others) that they must not be saved, and they need to stop these sins of their own power, or they risk not getting to heaven... Are you liket his?? or does this appall you also?

legalism comes in many forms. I hate all if it. I fight it harder ONLY because of these two things. yet then again did Paul fight it/. Yet do you think paul taught we can not be Holy??

get over yourself and stop thinking you know everything I believe and teach..

So all others who actually believe they can be holy as God is holy, by and through only The Holy spirit, are legalistic? Is that a fair thing to say? Ok, in speaking of fairness.

No it is not a fair thing to say, because then I would have to call myself legalistic.. and every Calvinist I know legalistic. and everyone I personally know who believes in eternal life secured by God himself legalistic.

You don;t get it because you don;lt want to. it is you who has the vendetta against me, not me you.

the only ones who do not believe this are licentious people. and if you would see my posts. I fight them just as hard as I fight legalism. but again you can;t see this, because you think I am one of them, you can;t get it out of your head I am not!


lets get thes things corrected first. then I might read the rest of your post and respond to it!

 

[PatientSpirit]

You won;t find them. because scripture does say I am saved. i was saved by placing my faith in the work of God. and because of this. GOD SAVED ME.


1 this makes no sense. if God gives us options. are we not free to chose which option we want to follow?
2. If there is no free will, we are robots. and God is not the loving God he claims to be..

are you saying God is not a God of love?

The sun can't save your eternal soul, The rain can't save your eternal soul. , Those things are given because mankind as living breathing creatures need them to survive physically here on earth, and would not get the opportunity to be saved eternally when this earth is gone.

But spiritual life is not something God gives everyone, he offers it to them. but he will not force anyone to take it.. Your logic is flawed in so many ways. Your trying to convince yourself it seems, and not trying to convince any of us, because what you say does not make sense.

I believe all men will be saved am I say God is not love? The sun and rain are EXAMPLES of how God's perfect love is. You believe you are saved and the sun shines on you. You also believe I'm not and yet the sun still shines on me as well.

 

[PatientSpirit]

more importantly. According to the laws of God. Homosexuals were to be put to death by stoning. Although in the new covenant, This no longer is required. according to romans 1. it is still a sin deplorable to God..

and no male or female..

1. In heaven this is true. thus being different does not matter when it comes to eternal life. But here on earth. God tells us we are to leave our parents and be wed to one another. male and female.

he told adam to marry eve, not steve!

However, homosexual sin is no more sin than heterosexual sin. Sin is sin is sin,

The head of every woman is the man. The head of every man is Christ.

Do men save women or Christ? How is this to be taken then?

The truth is every soul is a marriage of flesh and spirit!

 

[zone]

Your trying to convince yourself it seems

this is why universalism is so attractive to ppl who are looking to be validated while practicing, continuing in their favorite sin(s).
a guilty conscience sends them looking for salvation, but they are unwilling to accept conviction and scourging.
if one isn't being scourged, he isn't a son.
like it or lump it i guess.
i'll take the scourging....every minute if need be.

 

[PatientSpirit]

end of discussion.

Galatians 5:14-15

14*For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15*But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.[SIZE]

Can a gay man do this and fulfill the law?

Let go of your confusion and stop devouring them and eachother!

 

[PatientSpirit]

this is why universalism is so attractive to ppl who are looking to be validated while practicing, continuing in their favorite sin(s).
a guilty conscience sends them looking for salvation, but they are unwilling to accept conviction and scourging.
if one isn't being scourged, he isn't a son.
like it or lump it i guess.
i'll take the scourging....every minute if need be.

But then by this logic, you will admit to being a sinner. You just try real hard not to practice sinning. Christ is not a minister of sin, you all are.

 

[zone]

....practicing and unapologetic/unrepentant....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe all men will be saved am I say God is not love? The sun and rain are EXAMPLES of how God's perfect love is. You believe you are saved and the sun shines on you. You also believe I'm not and yet the sun still shines on me as well.

when it gets to the end. and there is no more earth. If you are not born again. The last thing you will be thinking is whether or not the sun will shine on you.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Galatians 5:14-15

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Can a gay man do this and fulfill the law?

Let go of your confusion and stop devouring them and eachother!

Again I ask is this TRUE? Yes or no. Simple.

 

[zone]

Again I ask is this TRUE? Yes or no. Simple.

i don't use the newspeak GAY. okay?

you mean, can an unrepentant, unapologetic sodomite continuing practicing sodomy without fear, spread this message to others and claim he loves the True God who created man?

NO.

simple enough?

forget about your loving your neighbor.

try the First Command FIRST.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rom 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


I guess they removed this passage from patients bible

 

[zone]

Luke 18:39
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

 

[PatientSpirit]

i don't use the newspeak GAY. okay?

you mean, can an unrepentant, unapologetic sodomite continuing practicing sodomy without fear, spread this message to others and claim he loves the True God who created man?

NO.

simple enough?

forget about your loving your neighbor.

try the First Command FIRST.

That's not what I said. A homosexual can indeed fulfill the law in loving his neighbor as himself.

But because of the angels we are to keep a covering on a woman's (spirit of a man) head. What this means is that homosexuals should act with respect and not in flamboyance knowing that by nature it's wrong.

We are told that ALL women (spirits of men) are to remain silent when we are gathered wherever we may be.

And the first commandment goes hand in hand with the second seeming as how the ONLY way to know if one obeys it, is by the second.

 

[zone]

That's not what I said. A homosexual can indeed fulfill the law in loving his neighbor as himself.

But because of the angels we are to keep a covering on a woman's (spirit of a man) head. What this means is that homosexuals should act with respect and not in flamboyance knowing that by nature it's wrong.

We are told that ALL women (spirits of men) are to remain silent when we are gathered wherever we may be.

okay.
i've had enough of your heresy and evilspeak.
no more derailing what was a good thread.
bye.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Luke 18:39
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

This would be how the homosexual would feel being excluded from your wonderful church. The other one in the parable is you.

 

[PatientSpirit]

okay.
i've had enough of your heresy and evilspeak.
no more derailing what was a good thread.
bye.

Again, debating on whether christians can fellowship with eachother is a good thread. But I speak evil by voicing my belief that God will save all? Wow, ok...

 

[zone]

This would be how the homosexual would feel being excluded from your wonderful church. The other one in the parable is you.

sorry...can't help you.
the ppl in my church are helping each other overcome their sin...not feed it.
i'm suffering as i fight my own. i confess my own sin.

i'm not going to suffer for validating yours.

no, you wouldn't be welcome in my church....unless you are repentant. confessing this as sin.

there are lots of homosexual universalist churches.
why can't you just be happy with that?