its could also mean
Jesus coming was the new covenant that God is with us.
SAMUEL wich means God has heard
do you now believe that samuel was also God ??
there are many names with EL in the bible and thora
jesus is not God
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its could also mean
Jesus coming was the new covenant that God is with us.
SAMUEL wich means God has heard
do you now believe that samuel was also God ??
there are many names with EL in the bible and thora
im amazed that there are people that do not understand what son of God means
you have to ignore most of the gospel, to see that jesus could be God
not my will be done, but Youre will
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wwjd_kilden
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Truthful: If Jesus was not God, how could He forgive sins?
If he is not God, how can he live without sinning? The bible says ALL have sinned....
If he is not God, how can he live without sinning? The bible says ALL have sinned....
We are instructed to forgive. Are we God?
God is his father. He did not inherit the sin nature every other man has. In that, and that alone, he had an advantage. Other than that, he CHOSE to always obey God. Adam was in the same situation. He did not have a sin nature, and it was his choice to decide to obey or not. He chose to disobey, whereas Jesus chose to obey.
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surrender2God
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The scripture plainly tells us the truth it is up to us to accept it. God's word is truth--anything that goes against God and scripture is a LIE.
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wwjd_kilden
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we can forgive what has been done to use, not what has been done to others. Jesus forgave sins in general
His diciples healed, but I cannot remember the Bible speaking of them ever forgiving sins like Jesus did.the son knows his Father and the son knows what will be forgiven by his Father and what not.
Jesus saying he is the son instead of God is to be ignored by catholics and such because they want him to be God.
God coming on earth as human would not break his commandment:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
when people would ask who He is, He said: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'
its sad because of these illogical teachings some people turn to islam or loose their faith.
Jesus saying he is the son instead of God is to be ignored by catholics and such because they want him to be God.
God coming on earth as human would not break his commandment:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
when people would ask who He is, He said: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'
its sad because of these illogical teachings some people turn to islam or loose their faith.
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Laodicea
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Your problem is that you do not believe the Bible
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:14
(14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus is the Creator -
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(John 1:3)
Jesus is the Mighty God -
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)
Jesus is the Power of God -
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.(1 Corinthians 1:24)
Jesus is the Lamb of God -
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.(John 1:29)
Jesus is the Image of God -
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Corinthians 4:4)
Jesus is God in Flesh -
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
Scriptures -
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.(Deuteronomy 4:35)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?(10)Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:9-10)
I and my Father are one.(John 10:30)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.(John 8:28)
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our
lives for the brethren.(1 John 3:16)
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (Isaiah 43:10-11)
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.(Exodus 3:14)
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.(Zechariah 14:9)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1)
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen (Romans 9:5)
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.(John 20:28-29)
GOD BLESS AMEN
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(John 1:3)
Jesus is the Mighty God -
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)
Jesus is the Power of God -
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.(1 Corinthians 1:24)
Jesus is the Lamb of God -
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.(John 1:29)
Jesus is the Image of God -
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Corinthians 4:4)
Jesus is God in Flesh -
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
Scriptures -
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.(Deuteronomy 4:35)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?(10)Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:9-10)
I and my Father are one.(John 10:30)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.(John 8:28)
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our
lives for the brethren.(1 John 3:16)
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (Isaiah 43:10-11)
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.(Exodus 3:14)
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.(Zechariah 14:9)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1)
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen (Romans 9:5)
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.(John 20:28-29)
GOD BLESS AMEN
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HEisgreaterthani
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What was it that Jesus had said or done that caused the Jews to respond with such violence toward Him?
Was it because He was claiming the personal name God gave Himself when He spoke to Moses from the burning bush?
"If Jesus' claims were false, He certainly was a blasphemer, and we can well understand why the strongly monotheistic Jews would be quick to accuse any man who claimed to be God. On this matter, they did understand Him rightly." -John M. Frame, Apologetics to the Glory of God (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1994), 141.
Was it because He was claiming the personal name God gave Himself when He spoke to Moses from the burning bush?
"If Jesus' claims were false, He certainly was a blasphemer, and we can well understand why the strongly monotheistic Jews would be quick to accuse any man who claimed to be God. On this matter, they did understand Him rightly." -John M. Frame, Apologetics to the Glory of God (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1994), 141.
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Nalu
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In the Hebrew writings of the Bible in Genesis There is an extra word that is not in the English Bibles. It is the letters Aleph and TAV.It should be, In the beginning God Aleph Tav created the heavens and the earth. Aleph and the Tav are the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Jesus said he was the first and the last so he is claiming to be GOD.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
What word? Aleph Tav
He was in the beginning with God . All things came into being by Him , and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:2-3
am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One
Revelation 1:-8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Isaiah 44:6"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God
Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last
Revelation 2:8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again
Revelation 21:6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
What word? Aleph Tav
He was in the beginning with God . All things came into being by Him , and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:2-3
am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One
Revelation 1:-8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Isaiah 44:6"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God
Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last
Revelation 2:8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again
Revelation 21:6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life
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zackabba
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Excuse me? Is Thomas's confession of Jesus being His Lord and God not enough?
As for the Son of God, again, He was born through the Spirit - He was born in a different way than all of us are. I don't believe that the Spirit simply made a sperm to go into Mary - something else happened. God was introduced into the world, "to His own," and yet His own did not receive Him - even though He, the Son of God, created them.
In order to deny Jesus is God, you must deny that the Scriptures are truly inspired by God - you must ignore not only the Gospels, but the books written even beforehand.
Grace and Love
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Nalu
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That's right Zackabba. Jesus is God.
People of reprobate minds attempt to tamper with the divine nature of Jesus Christ.
They also speak against the Bible as being inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Their goal is to separate people from Jesus Christ and the Bible.
You are incorrect.
Jesus is the Son of God. People who do not understand this simple truth wind up worshiping three gods (or three in one, or one in three, whatever), which is a pagan practice.
I do not believe in the trinity. There is one God, the Father, who is the creator and supreme over all. There is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the messiah, our savior, a man.
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I believe the bible is the word of God.
My goal is to help people understand that the bible is the word of God and to lead people to Christ, because there is no other way to be saved.
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Nalu
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There are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and these three are one God. They are the same in substance, equal in power and glory.
The Father.
One God and Father 1 Corinthians 8:6
Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ Ephesians 1:3
Is all powerful Ephesians 4:6
Is unchanging James 1:17
The author of our redemption Galatians 1:3,4
The Father of believers 2 Corinthians 6:17,18
Jesus Christ the Son:
Is eternal, from the beginning John 1:1
He became incarnate John 1:14
The author of Grace and Truth John 1:17
God's Son, our Savior John 3:16
The Father loves the Son John 14:31
The Son loves the Father John 14:31
The Son and the Father are ONE John 10:30
The Holy Spirit:
God is a Spirit John 4:24
The Holy Spirit authored the Scriptures 2 Peter 1:21
He guides into all Truth John 16:13
He is sent of the Father to the world John 14:26
He dwells within Believers John 14:17
He confirms that we are God's own Romans 8:16
Believer can be filled with the Holy Spirit Acts 4:31
The Trinity presented together:
Jesus was Baptized; the Holy Spirit descended; the Father spoke. Matthew 3:16,17
Believers are to be Baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:18,19
The unique Ministries of the Trinity in redemption:
Father, Ephesians 1:3-6
Son, Ephesians 1: 6-12
Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1: 13, 14
Jesus is Lord!
Yes, that is a definition of the trinitarian doctrine. It is not the truth.
That's right. Jesus was Baptized; the Holy Spirit descended; the Father spoke. You say it represents the trinity. The bible does not say that.
Some older texts read "baptize them in my name".
God is the author of salvation, Jesus Christ is the agent (means) of salvation, holy spirit is the gift we receive when we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom 10:9)
Amen! And God is God.
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Nalu
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I tried and the Truth fell upon deaf ears. You see it your'e way, and I have my own way.
There are zero similarities between us. We are polar opposites.
I am a Baptist and do not ever hide that fact.
Could you speak plainly and tell me what organization, denomination or group you belong to.
I think you will be deceitful and not speak plainly, but I could be wrong, surprise me, step out into the light.
Trinitarianism is not Truth.
Yes, you do have your own way.
Actually, there are many similarities. We both love God and His son Jesus Christ, we are both Christian, we both want to teach others how to become saved. Although since you firmly believe in the trinity and I do not, you may well think that I am not saved. I'm sorry for that, and I assure you that I am saved.
Great!
Why on earth would you think I would be deceitful? Is that how you think about everyone who is not a Baptist?
I am a non-denominational bible believing Christian. I fellowship in the home with a local group of like-minded Christians. Here are a couple of websites that agree with what we believe:
Truth Or Tradition
The Living Truth Fellowship
Let me know if I can answer anything else for you.