Loss of salvation???

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I rather enjoyed how Pierce was accusing Saad of stating that Islam is a disease.

Agree. Finished now and am reminded how I don't like watching Morgan. In the end it seems he's just disagreeing with terminology about 'overrun' vs. 'being overrun' which takes him back to his aversion to the disease analogy he got emotional about - the issue is, the process is taking place - statistically there is a tipping point like a disease - I don't like that disease analogy, so I won't see it as a disease in process of becoming overwhelming - I may make statements that I understand, but I really don't and I think we should be discussing it but not doing anything about it.
 
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Post 7423

Your response @Toknow to Gideon.

Now listen to me.

I am always open to a discussion, I'm ok to an extent to disagree.
But I will never back down when I am accused or have assumptions made about me with out discussions.

By all means ask and question.
But never accuse me of not loving Jesus and not being obedient.
This is an open thread and quite honestly you consider me a liar and people will see this even when I have made my case and posted that every day I ask the Holy Spirit to help me to be like Jesus.
OK Bill

I'm here on your post to me no. 7588

It makes no sense to me.

WHAT am I accusing you of?
WHEN did I call you a liar?

I'm not in the habit of calling anyone a liar.
Or assuming anything about them

It's good that you ask the Holy Spirit to be like Jesus.
We should all be doing this.

You either have me mixed up with someone esle,
or you're mixing up a post.

If you care to discuss anything I've said...
that's fine with me.

But you should start from scratch.
 
Understood. You will believe what you want regardless of an inability on your part to show where loss of salvation is at all possible after being sealed by Holy Spirit under the Gospel of Grace. Your works-based salvation system of false theology remains pathetically feeble in standing under the weight of evidence to the contrary.

Typical. Gotta love the "pathetically feeble" language and other opinionated allegations attributed to being in disagreement with him.
 
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Hi,

Do you happen to be Fran?
Come back after a few years?
your posts are very similar.
I did like Fran though.
She helped me through a tough time.
We agreed to disagree.
she came/lived lives in Italy just like you
And same avatar.
It's possible Bill.
Another person on here remembers me.
I do have a very unique style of posting and I did
mention this to the other member.

It's nice to know you liked me.
I try to be nice and respectful of everyone...
not saying I never get upset...
I'm a girl, what could you do!

I HAVE always used this avatar because I used to
teach children our faith till just a couple of years ago.
I love teaching children (11- 13) about our Lord.
Had to stop.
Thus, the avatar with the children around the cross.

We might disagree about something or other, as long
as we treat each other in a Christianly way and not in
a condescending way.
 
You require verses on the loss of salvation?

OK
I'll give you as many as possible till I have to leave:




1 Timothy 4.1
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,



Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have [a]fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, [b]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.



2 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his trickery, your minds will be led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ.



Revelation 2:4-5
4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the [a]deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.



Romans 11:19-22
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.



Matthew 24:10-13
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.



James 1:12
12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has [a]been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.



1 Timothy 4:16
16 Pay close attention to yourself and to the teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.



James 5:19-20
19 My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you strays from the truth and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.



1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.



John 15:1-5
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He [a]prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already [b]clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in Me, [c]and I in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit [d]of itself [e]but must remain in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him [f]bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.



Many, many more...
but the above should suffice.

Loss of salvation is indeed possible...
and all should know this and heed the teaching.

Check Matt24 above.
 
It's possible Bill.
Another person on here remembers me.
I do have a very unique style of posting and I did
mention this to the other member.

It's nice to know you liked me.
I try to be nice and respectful of everyone...
not saying I never get upset...
I'm a girl, what could you do!

I HAVE always used this avatar because I used to
teach children our faith till just a couple of years ago.
I love teaching children (11- 13) about our Lord.
Had to stop.
Thus, the avatar with the children around the cross.

We might disagree about something or other, as long
as we treat each other in a Christianly way and not in
a condescending way.
So you are Fran?

If so HELLO
 
OK Bill

I'm here on your post to me no. 7588

It makes no sense to me.

WHAT am I accusing you of?
WHEN did I call you a liar?

I'm not in the habit of calling anyone a liar.
Or assuming anything about them

It's good that you ask the Holy Spirit to be like Jesus.
We should all be doing this.

You either have me mixed up with someone esle,
or you're mixing up a post.

If you care to discuss anything I've said...
that's fine with me.

But you should start from scratch.
No you were not accusing me
I believe you were accusing him in post 7423
 
No you were not accusing me
I believe you were accusing him in post 7423
I didn't accuse him of anything Bill.
He keeps posting with no scripture.
I like to deal with scripture.
Some write pages of stuff...
that's just an opinion...
unless it's backed up with the word of God.d

Anyway,,, catch you around.
Like your dog.
 
I didn't accuse him of anything Bill.
He keeps posting with no scripture.
I like to deal with scripture.
Some write pages of stuff...
that's just an opinion...
unless it's backed up with the word of God.d

Anyway,,, catch you around.
Like your dog.
It comes across like that.
You could have asked him rather than tell what/who he is or believes

I have 3 dogs now.
 
It comes across like that.
You could have asked him rather than tell what/who he is or believes

I have 3 dogs now.
Oh.
I know what he believes.

My granddaughter wants a dog.
We went to see a baby Golden Retriever.
We all liked him, but I think he's too big even though they have
the space both inside and outside.

I like yours better.
3 is a handful !


Be back later on....
 
Oh.
I know what he believes.

My granddaughter wants a dog.
We went to see a baby Golden Retriever.
We all liked him, but I think he's too big even though they have
the space both inside and outside.

I like yours better.
3 is a handful !


Be back later on....
I became a grandad last April.

Fortunately I hopefully will see him grow up.

I had open heart surgery in Oct 24.
No symptoms.
My BP was 244/143 and HB 160.
After 6 months of tests etc I was told at some point in my life I had a heart attack and I was told I was now a walking corpse.
God is good as I felt he told me to go to the doctor's to get my BP checked (won't go into it but had 3 very anxious years)

I avoid doctors but really has to follow what I felt God pushed me to do.
 
Very good!
LOL

I think it's indicative of his soteriology - one bite/sip and done - so a project boggles his thinking.

Mine is like the parables in Luke14 re: looking at a building project or going to war, assessing the capacities to complete it, realizing Who graciously provides His capacities to the relationship, and proceeding with the project until completion even though there will be challenges along the way that could make some walk away like the builder and the king. Same as Jesus and Paul talking about a process of building on proper foundations or watering and caring for crops until completed.

IOW my soteriology is that it's a process and it's more like the big portions that overwhelm him. Such are not a big deal and actually not a bad analogy when viewed through a different lens. Just like looking at a vacant piece of land and looking at a piece of masterful architecture on paper and knowing it's a process to complete it. Some seem to think the foundation is the end of the project.

I think your video re: analogies was good on many levels.
 
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