Loss of salvation???
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I know exactly what you’re saying. There’s a difference between being saved by faith alone and having faith alone. Many times a disagreement is just a misunderstanding in language rather than actual disagreement. Many people disagree with faith alone but when they explain how they believe it ends up being the same thing.
I wonder if the Lord will even recognise those who think they took away their own sin?
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
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Sometimes I just get lost . . . wander around a bit . . . til some kindly person . . .
Much love!
Think it was my post. It got messed up and you probably replied before I finished editing it. Sometimes the reply button goes haywire I think and either puts the reply in the quote or the quote in the reply.
I wonder if the Lord will even recognise those who think they took away their own sin?
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Another lie???
How can someone take away their own sins?
Yes and Like the reformed/calvie/tulip folks..........Nary a mention of the life, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. HIS WORKS for us.
The reformed/calvie/tulip folks rely on Sovereignty and the Armins rely on their works.........GRACE is anathema to both THEORIES.
Who's name is in that verse taking away sin? If we could do what you say we would not need a Saviour.
Here and now. I'm done being polite. You are on ignore.
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Idk why the reading of Ro 5:20 is rushed past so quickly. It must seem so very scary or something.
But if you think about it, exactly because we can see the degree of sin that permeates within this world that we currently live in, we can gather the degree of just how much, by comparison, grace currently so much more is abounding.
Even so, it seems there are those that'd argue that there's no need for any grace to abound in their case.
We are saved by faith that trusts in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation (Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6) which is not to be confused with a bare profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" barren of works. (James 2:14)
I questioned your division of the context because of your not including verse 38 in that earlier part of your post. It shows the clear command for water baptism for Israel leading to their remission of sins, which is nowhere repeated by Paul in his teachings to Gentiles.
Additionally, would you please prove where scripture ever said one word about that partition coming down at the cross?
MM
Jumping in here . . .
Ephesians 2:13-18 KJV
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Much love!
To be consistent with scripture, we as a nation are blinded in part, not totally blinded.
Ummm, no.
The bride is not comprised of Gentiles:
Joel 2:16
Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
That all is a reference ONLY to Israel, not Gentiles.
John 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Again, spoken of Israel, not ever a reference to Gentiles.
Revelation 18:21-24
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Peter also spoke of Jerusalem as Babylon, repeated here because of the blood of the prophets shed therein or immediately without. Yes, I realize there are prophecy buffs and Revelation experts out there who fancy this is speaking of the pagan nation Babylon, but given that the prophets were not killed there, the reality begins to set in upon those who dare to read scripture without the blinders of pop-prophecy nonsense that colors so much of modern eschatology. Also, the birde is once again NOT inclusive of Gentiles.
Revlation 21:9-11
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
So you see, Gentiles laying claim to being what clearly is ONLY of Israel, its a ludicrous practice that has set hold of the minds of far too many non-critical thinking Gentiles who are unknowingly embracing yet another rudiment of replacement theology. The twelve names upon the foundation stones and the twelve tribes named above the gates of the New Jerusalem are not at all affiliated with that grand city and its inhabitants. What Gentile name is upon it? What Gentiles will inhabit it? Some who are of the body of Christ right now? No. We today, Jews and Gentiles will become inhabitants of Heaven, not the new earth nor the New Jerusalem.
But, of course, you're free to fantasize about being a part of the bride, but even I as an Israeli know that we all today in the body of Christ will never be a part of that bride. We will have be where the Lord has already determined and spoken in His word, and that city is not what He spoke to us through Paul.
MM
That vision took place AFTER the fall of Israel. Gentiles are grafted into the same vine as Israel, yes, but that doesn't make you Israelis.
MM
Good point.
So, the coming down of that wall was not a combining together of Gentiles becoming Israelis. It was a breaking down of the wall that kept salvation from having yet come unto the Gentiles until AFTER that wall came down. The state of Gentiles before the coming down of that wall after the falls of Israel was this:
Ephsians 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Romans 11:11-12
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Given that salvation came unto the Gentiles, clearly aligned with the fall of Israel as this context clearly shows to us, Gentiles obviously didn't have access to salvation apart from joining with Israel before her fall. I know there are some out there who are anti-intellectual, but the logic of this couched within the text is quite unmistakable.
Thanks for sharing this.
MM
