It's not "one and done".
Philippians 1:6 KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Much love!
Loss of salvation???
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It's not "one and done".
Philippians 1:6 KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Much love!
First I really do like the way you hold your self on CC, I'm old and don't have much tack at all. So forgive me if I seam harsh in anyway!!!
I really don't have a belief system, I just follow JESUS and HIS word.
I know HE does not play games and is strick.
This is what JESUS said in John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Which means there is NO WAY we can enter Heaven with out both.
Scripture says, the only way to get rid of our sins is being baptized in JESUS name, and sins will not enter Heaven.
"I know from church history that many in the early church would put off being baptized until they were close to death so that all their sins could be forgiven....so they absolutely believed in baptism forgiving sins"
I did not know that, and have no idea why people think that is a good idea? What happens if they died before they had a chance to get baptized??? Not a good idea.
Something to think on, if we believe HIS word and we have to be born of water and of spirit why would you think Cornelius was saved without never calling on Peter?
Here is what I think, JESUS talks to us in small still voices, Corelius had his ears open for a long time.
Every thing is in GODS timing, so GOD had everything set up having John the baptist born just before JESUS etc. There was ALOT involved.
GOD has plans for ALL of us to be saved not just the Jews and when JESUS was on this earth no one knew at that point UNTIL, the first message preached.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Question, was that JESUS speaking through Peter via the Holy Ghost or was it Peter?
I say it was JESUS speaking through him, how would Peter know it was for ALL the Lord shall call?
Back to Cornelius, GODS timing had him born, heart ready the whole ball of wax set in place from the beginning of time for him to call on Peter for ALL of the Gentiles to be grafted in.
No way could he have been saved, how many people even on this sight that has to hear the message and has to act with obidence and get baptized.
So many people hear the message and just refuse to accept it, would you think they are saved?
Baptism is not the only thing to be saved, Belive, Repent, bapitzed in JESUS name to get rid of our sins is all things that we have to do.
JESUS is the one who fills us with the Holy Ghost, like HE did HIS discples in Acts 2:4.
Baptizing babies, why? How can babies make a decision to follow JESUS and repent of their sins? for sure is not bible.
One reason I don't get into denominations and just stick with HIS word.
We are blessed in the USA, and sad it's not that way everywhere it sure was foundered on Christ.
I do know EVERY one will hear, Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
I'm surprised you think just believe, have faith and obey is all we need?
I've seen you post we have to follow what JESUS says and be bapitzed? Isn't that part of obeing?
You do know the way you think, your saying that we don't need to get rid of ours sins, or be filled with the Holy Ghost? John 3:5.
At least 3 denominations follow HIS rules, but also most today baptized in JESUS titles not in JESUS name, which I do belvied the catholic church started and alot of churchs follow the catholics.
I have had many debates about JESUS being GOD, I ask what is the names of your three gods?
We should depent on the Holy Ghost to help us and only by it will people understand who JESUS is.
1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Which lead to another problem, so many people think they have the Holy Ghost and never had.
I HAVE NO IDEA who does, or doens't for instance, when someone says when you first believe you get it some red flags goes up, no where do you seed that in HIS word.
Mark 16:16 believe AND baptized, they go together.
You are right it's the ones who is doing the teaching, but I was there once, he's the pracher so he's right, right?
That is why we are supose to keep man in check with HIS rule book.
OUR WORDS are very very important, we will be responsible for eveyone of them.
I don't know how to do as many do in here, show what you said and respond old dog don't do new tricks to well.
Hope you were able to follow, GOD BLESS YOU.
We should alwasy be humble and under constrution.
Actually Higher, I'm pretty familiar with The Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin.
He actually states that God causes evil for his own reasons.
I'll post it in case you're intersted...you might already know...
If one falls among robbers, or ravenous beasts; if a sudden gust of wind at sea causes shipwreck;
if one is struck down by the fall of a house or a tree; if another, when wandering through desert paths, meets with deliverance; or, after being tossed by the waves, arrives in port, and makes some wondrous hair-breadth escape from death--
all these occurrences, prosperous as well as adverse, carnal sense will attribute to fortune.
But whose has learned from the mouth of Christ that all the hairs of his head are numbered (Mt. 10:30), will look farther for the cause, and hold that all events whatsoever are governed by the secret counsel of God.
With regard to inanimate objects again we must hold that though each is possessed of its peculiar properties, yet all of them exert their force only in so far as directed by the immediate hand of God. Hence they are merely instruments, into which God constantly infuses what energy he sees meet, and turns and converts to any purpose at his pleasure.
THE INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
JOHN CALVIN
BOOK 1
CHAPTER 16
PARAGRAPH 2
Just a quick reminder . . . the listener "infers", the speaker "implies".
And no that's not what I'm implying, and I've said so previously. So I'm not going to keep repeating it.
I have no issues with God's word, though you seem to have issues with me. I know God's Word about this, I was asking your testimony. I'm not surprised you refuse to answer my question whether you have fully ceased from sin, and I respect that. At this point I'm glad you did not.
No matter, I do not perceive this to be a fruitful discussion, and I've said what I wish. Say what you like, and let's move on.
Much love!
In the NAME of Jesus is not meant as a rigid, baptism formula, but a reference to authority. To baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, is to baptize in the name of Jesus/by His authority. (Matthew 28:18-19) Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinitarian formula because they reject the Trinity.
I'm not lying.
Please be humble and accept you are wrong.
I'm a little confused?
You said there is nothing we can do to remove our sins, is that correct?
I shared GODS word proving that being baptized in JESUS names removes our sins.
Meaning there is something that we do to remove our sins.
You did see those verse right?
If so, then what you said is untrue.
Now it's one thing thinking your right and making statement and it's a totaly differnt thing making them statemeant KNOWING they are not true.
Are you still sticking with your statemeant, there is nothing we can do to remove our sins?
It sure can be a yes or no answer.
FYI, I have no problem sayign I'm wrong!!
Is Jesus going to go to the Cross again? Er, no.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one
toucheth him not.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
2 Peter 3:14
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot,
and blameless.
2 John 1
he that abides not in the doctrine of Christ has not God
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus
Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
ONLY for those living in ongoing submission to what the Lord has done
Yeah it's the "the secret counsel of God" where the devil is able to slip in doctrines of devils and calvinists accept it as being from the Lord
Great. We won't have to hear it anymore.
No, actually you are claiming Christians cannot stop sinning. That's doctrines of demons
That's what all the sinners say as they continue living in sin seeking for plausible ways to claim it's normal.
Yeah, living in sin is normal for those on the highway to hell
It's not for real Christians who accept the whole counsel of the Lord not having been deceived by reformed theology and/or catholicism or other fake gospels going around.
I answered the question with God's Word that you apparently refuse to accept, believe, or walk in. I walk in the Spirit so I don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh and I walk in the light as He is in the light and the blood of Jesus cleanses me from all sin.
So no, I don't live in sin but you apparently claim that you are living in sin and are a sinner.
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I have a clean conscience before the Lord and I'm not doing anything God's Word says is sinful or doing things I know to not be good. I know that's hard for you sinners to grasp having been taught you are a born sinner and cannot never stop doing sinful behavior.
Now I dropped something on the floor a while back which proves I'm not perfect in the literal sense but that is a sin (mistake) not unto death and is not something that separates me from the Lord and since I walk in the light as He is in the light the blood of Jesus cleanses me from all sins that are not unto death
1 John 5:17
there is a sin not unto death
Glad we got this all cleared up.
Let me know anytime you have any questions about this.
I'm happy to help out the confused and the befuddled
I use some myself, but I agree with you, it's best if we can understand and explain the Scriptures in the terms used in the Scriptures.
I think they call it "facile understanding", that you have such a good grasp of a topic that you can easily express and explain it to others.
I find it may take many hours and more of study and even hundreds of times reading a passage, prayerfully, to reach this kind of understanding. But it's worth it!
Much love!
Because God's Word teaches there's more to salvation that just believing only.
It's the false doctrines of so called reformed theology that falsely claims salvation is by faith alone
They don't understand God has called His people to submit to Him and actually walk in agreement with Him allowing the Holy Spirit to not only live in them but to do good works thru them.
Reformed theology people (catholics too) have been taught they were born sinners that God put sin in to them when they were in the womb so they believe they can never stop sinning.
So they live in sin and proudly proclaim to anyone that will listen they they are sinners as though it's a badge of honor!
Look mate, even if I thought water baptism was necessary it is still not us removing our sins. In baptism we are identifying with the One who took away our sins.
Salvation is an act of grace. There is nothing we do to remove our sin. The scripture is very, very clear. Christ is the lamb who takes away the sin of the world.
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
This is the beauty of the Gospel. God has already removed everyone's sins. All have been reconciled to God. All that remains is that we receive the reconciliation.
So simple, so free, yet so difficult for so many!
Much love!
I just wonder sometimes how much wording has to do with disagreements.
We know that James says that faith remains alone without works, but his point is that true faith is accompanied by works. When we say "faith alone", like Paul speaks in Ephesians, some here this in James' vocabulary, as if when we say we are saved by "faith alone", they take it to mean we thing we can have faith that is not accompanied by works, that is, that we are saved by faith that James says does not save.
Do you know what I'm saying?
We know we are saved by faith alone, but not by faith that is alone. Yes?
Much love!
You do you,
One can only try, wonder what it takes for someone to see if you show them scripture and they still can not?
We have to be humble.
When you comment on my comments in the furture the only thing I going to resond with is, do you still stand on your lie!!!
If you do, why debate?