Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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Oh please. No one who supports God and His promises for Israel want your cheap knock'-offs.
The prophecy concerning the new heart will be fulfilled after the Great Tribulation and the final defeat of the Antichrist. Then the Jews will look upon Him who they pierced (Zechariah 12:10).
Dunnow Love, that "replacement theology" kind of seems a bit more inclusive, like every kindred and nation including Jews rather than just the Brits.
Poor old Brits didn't get much of a mention in the Bible.
The focus on Jesus doesn't seem so bad to me either.
Just out of interest which tribe did BB Netanyahoo (formally Mileikowsky) come from?
Actually they did, "brit" means covenant in Hebrew.
The prime ministrer is a Levite.
Hardly. Another myth easily debunked with 15 minutes of legit Bible study.
That which is lacking on this thread. And what is worse, when offered, rejected without review.
As you probably know all genealogical records were destroyed when the temple was destroyed.
Seems like God was sending a message.
Replacement theology is not a thing, is is an accusation, a straw man used by detractors.
The actual doctrine is "successionaism" which is fulfilled theology.
There has always been one spiritual Israel, one Covenant, one Church in the OT and NT and it continues today.
And the fact of the Temple destruction (every stone removed) invalidates the preterist claim that the abomination of desolation somehow happened at that juncture in time.
Not to mention that all preterist claims fail because they do not concatenate with and match:
-the Passover pattern, which itself matches
-the seven feasts of Moses
-the Hebrew wedding protocol
-the doctrine of the rapture (where LIVING believers, all of them) are translated (sorry Matt 27 pundits like @Cameron143 )
And a massive trove of other Biblical patterns embedded into:
- the book of Ruth
- Lot/Sodom
- Rahab/Jericho
-Esther
- Enoch
And so much more.
Oh did I fail to mention that the Book of Revelation was written very late maybe 95-96 AD?
Yes, all of those prophecies are yet future, including of course the REAL abomination of desolation
that must occur in the 70th week AFTER the times of the gentiles, after the fullness of the gentiles, after the Church age.
Sorry fake sorry everyone!
Its strange you folks don’t ever count the gospel as being the fulfillment of the prophets .
Exactly, I am glad you mentioned that I was thinking the same. Very strange indeed, a bit of pick and choose it seems like.
Oh please. No one who supports God and His promises for Israel want your cheap knock'-offs.
Christ Jesus is the Israel.
Christ Jesus a cheap knock off, you should be careful.
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”
Ephesians 2:11-13 KJV
there’s a time in scripture when the children of Israel are chosen and set apart because they are the descendants of Abram and he was given a promise concerning them . Gentiles were not part of that covenant it was soecific to God and the children of Israel.
It’s only after they break the covenant hat the new covenant is promised which of course would include all nations beginning at Jerusalem.
It wasn’t always known to men but to God of course he knew his plans
“which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
Ephesians 3:5-6 KJV
Under the old covenant circumcision seperwted gentile and Israel Israel was given a seperetist law telling them if they obeyed they would be blessed and be the ruling nation of earth and God would dwell among them and rule from Jerusalem
abut if they broke it then all the opposite corees would come upon them and they would forsake the lord and break his covenant and he them as he said but he promised a new covenant for them first but to include all nations after
“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
Acts 3:18-26 KJV
stuff like this being preached by an isralite to isralites ……and it’s like it has absolutely no effect just bounces off or flies on past
“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. …..For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
….Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20, 22, 32 KJV
it’s just strange to me for Christian’s to be waiting for the law and prophets to be fulfilled still . Especially in a discussion forum with so much scriptire
“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
Matthew 1:1
“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: ……and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:15-16, 18
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( Gen. 12 :1-4) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
…..that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
…Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
…..For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:7-9, 14, 16, 27-29 KJV
everything flows through Christ as long as isralites or gentiles reject him there’s nothing left to save them
Then just forget about it, but remember God's covenant with Abraham, "I'll bless those who bless you and curse him who curses you, and through you, all nations will be blessed."
There are many prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled. We have yet to see the promised new heavens and new earth. The third temple has yet to be built. Lord Jesus has yet to return to stand on the Mount of Olives. What I find strange is how Christians can believe all prophecies have been fulfilled when it's obvious that they have not.
Here's the Zechariah verse you quoted and the scripture plainly stating when this prophecy was fulfilled.
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John 19:31-36
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.