Alcohol Damages Health

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The big question is why you have such an obsession over other people drinking.

The bigger question is WHY are you advocating for Christians to drink the booze?

Did you not learn your lesson back when you were a drunk?
If not then you will eventually go back to being a drunk.

All you are doing is helping others stumble by claiming it's OK to drink the booze.


everyone in different growth stages unto maturity

Ah, the commonly used excuse to remain in sinful behavior.

I been hearing that for years and in most cases it's trotted out by someone who has their pet sin they refuse to give up.


Oh, wait that will not happen until one, anyone is given the new heart offered in risen Son from Father

And yet we see lots of people claiming to have been born again advocating for Christians to be able to drink the booze and get their buzz on. clueless-doh.gif
 
The bigger question is WHY are you advocating for Christians to drink the booze?

Did you not learn your lesson back when you were a drunk?
If not then you will eventually go back to being a drunk.

All you are doing is helping others stumble by claiming it's OK to drink the booze.




Ah, the commonly used excuse to remain in sinful behavior.

I been hearing that for years and in most cases it's trotted out by someone who has their pet sin they refuse to give up.




And yet we see lots of people claiming to have been born again advocating for Christians to be able to drink the booze and get their buzz on. View attachment 285493
Do you take any medications including a basic Tylenol? Cause guess what they are drugs and there’s not a single one of them that’s healthy. Do you eat a completely organic natural diet? Cause if not you’re putting unhealthy chemicals in your body. Do you consume caffeine or nicotine? Cause they are both drugs. I can almost guarantee that you do one if not all of these. So be truthful and confess up. Which of these do you do?

Also just another question as I’m not sure of your beliefs at this point but if you’re sitting in a congregation during communion with actual wine, do you just not accept it?
 
Do you take any medications including a basic Tylenol? Cause guess what they are drugs and there’s not a single one of them that’s healthy. Do you eat a completely organic natural diet? Cause if not you’re putting unhealthy chemicals in your body. Do you consume caffeine or nicotine? Cause they are both drugs. I can almost guarantee that you do one if not all of these. So be truthful and confess up. Which of these do you do?

Also just another question as I’m not sure of your beliefs at this point but if you’re sitting in a congregation during communion with actual wine, do you just not accept it?

Ah the old distraction tactic - "Look over there, a squirrel" :rolleyes:

I've never attended a church that uses alcohol in communion so that's a non issue for me.

All that is needed is the fruit of the vine so grape juice works just fine.
 
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Ah the old distraction tactic - "Look over there, a squirrel" :rolleyes:

I've never attended a church that uses alcohol in communion so that's a non issue for me.

All that is needed is the fruit of the vine so grape juice works just fine.
Good job not answering a single question. Avoiding questions about one’s own issues shows self protection. I’m now leaning towards self righteousness. Usually the self righteous don’t answer questions cause they share the same sins that they obsess over in others. They also avoid questions because they’re scared to be put on equal footing with others or it will destroy their view of themselves. So is it self righteousness? Do you ever sin?
 
Good job not answering a single question.
Good job deploying the distraction tactic - "Look over there, a squirrel" :rolleyes:

That's the oldest trick in the book coming from someone who has no answer for a topic being discussed.

They get their gas light on since they are unskilled in the Word of Righteousness

This is a common ploy by the diaper brigade when they lose their pacifier :eek:
 
Good job deploying the distraction tactic - "Look over there, a squirrel" :rolleyes:

That's the oldest trick in the book coming from someone who has no answer for a topic being discussed.

They get their gas light on since they are unskilled in the Word of Righteousness

This is a common ploy by the diaper brigade when they lose their pacifier :eek:
Ok. You have a good day.
 
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Ok. You have a good day.
Oh, I will and it will be a day without booze like every other day!

I'm so high on the Holy Ghost and God's Word now I can hardly stand myself.... being raised up to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, having been delivered from the power of darkness, and translated into the kingdom of God's Son and all.

Drinking the booze would be a downer
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I'm sure God is working on him but I worry if he's listening.... not seeing much fruit of the Spirit coming from him, yet he's trying to teach.... God said to look put for those. 😬

As a side note, I'm really glad that you and others like @tourist and @Just_A__Follower are taking your sobriety seriously. I applaud your abstinence and I think it is very wise!

Perhaps @HigherGospel has had the same issues with overindulgence, in which case I'm glad he abstains. But he can't seem to fathom that some of us can drink a few ounces of wine with dinner and have no desire for more 🤷‍♀️
Thank you but credit for my abstinence is not due to me for I loved being drunk. Applaud the Lord for that change.
 
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Thank you but credit for my abstinence is not due to me for I loved being drunk. Applaud the Lord for that change.

That is true but the fact that you loved it and still gave it up is commendable.

It's not a sacrifice if we never wanted it in the first place 😎👍

But yes, all credit to Jesus working in us regardless! 🙌
 
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In another thread there are drunks advocating for drinking the booze claiming it's healthy... but recent medical studies are now proving that NO amount of alcohol is healthy for one's body

it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.



Medical STUDY - No Safe Level of Alcohol
Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle Washington

Paris (AFP) - Even an occasional glass of wine or beer increases the risk of health problems and dying, according to a major study on drinking in 195 nations that attributes 2.8 million premature deaths worldwide each year to booze.

"There is no safe level of alcohol," said Max Griswold, a researcher at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, Washington and lead author for a consortium of more than 500 experts.

Despite recent research showing that light-to-moderate drinking reduces heart disease, the new study found that alcohol use is more likely than not to do harm.

"The protective effect of alcohol was offset by the risks," Griswold told AFP in summarising the results, published in medical journal The Lancet on Friday.

"Overall, the health risks associated with alcohol rose in line with the amount consumed each day."

Compared to abstinence, imbibing one "standard drink" -- 10 grammes of alcohol, equivalent to a small beer, glass of wine or shot of spirits -- per day, for example, ups the odds of developing at least one of two dozen health problems by about half-a-percent, the researchers reported.

Looked at one way, that seems like a small increment: 914 out of 100,000 teetotallers will encounter those problems, compared to 918 people who imbibe seven times per week.

"But at the global level, that additional risk of 0.5 percent among (once-a-day) drinkers corresponds to about 100,000 additional deaths each year," said senior author Emmanuela Gakidou, a professor at the University of Washington and a director at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

- 'Less is better, none is best' -

"Those are excess deaths, in other words, that could be avoided," she told AFP.

The risk climbs in a steep "J-curve", the study found.

An average of two drinks per day, for example, translated into a 7.0 percent hike in disease and injury compared to those who opt for abstinence.

With five "units" of alcohol per day, the likelihood of serious consequences jumps by 37 percent.

The "less is better, none is best" finding jibes with the World Health Organization's long-standing position, but is at odds with many national guidelines, especially in the developed world.

Britain's health authority, for example, suggests not exceeding 14 drinks per week "to keep health risks from alcohol to a low level".

"There is always a lag between the publication of new evidence and the modification and adoption of revised guidelines," said Gakidou, who admitted to being an "occasional drinker" herself.

"The evidence shows what the evidence shows, and I -- like 2.4 billion other people on the planet that also consume alcohol -- need to take it seriously."

Overall, drinking was the seventh leading risk factor for premature death and disease in 2016, accounting for just over two percent of deaths in women and nearly seven percent in men.

The top six killers are high blood pressure, smoking, low-birth weight and premature delivery, high blood sugar (diabetes), obesity and pollution.

But in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found.

- The 95 percent club -

The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and "self-harm", mainly suicide.

King's College London professor Robyn Burton, who did not take part in the study, described it as "the most comprehensive estimate of the global burden of alcohol use to date."

The examination of impacts drew from more than 600 earlier studies, while a country-by-country tally of prevalence -- the percentage of men and women who drink, and how much they consume -- drew from another 700.

Both were grounded in new methods that compensated for the shortcomings of earlier efforts.

Among men, drinking alcohol in 2016 was most widespread in Denmark (97 percent), along with Norway, Argentina, Germany, and Poland (94 percent).

In Asia, South Korean men took the lead, with 91 percent hitting the bottle at least once in a while.

Among women, Danes also ranked first (95 percent), followed by Norway (91 percent), Germany and Argentina (90 percent), and New Zealand (89 percent).

The biggest drinkers, however, were found elsewhere.

Men in Romania who partake knocked back a top-scoring eight drinks a day on average, with Portugal, Luxembourg, Lithuania and Ukraine just behind at seven "units" per day.

Ukranian women who drink were in a league of their own, putting away more than four glasses or shots every 24 hours, followed by Andorra, Luxembourg, Belarus, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland and Britain, all averaging about three per day.

Source - https://www.yahoo.com/news/zero-tolerance-no-safe-level-alcohol-study-says-224245668.html
Good post.
We are a kingdom of Kings, a royal Priesthood. Kings were counseled to not partake of strong drink. The priest were not to partake of any alcohol before entering the outer court yard to the Temple. Now we are the temple and the Spirit of God resides in us as you shared. Are lives are to be a testimony of God and His glory. What good would we be in this age of impairment if we ourselves are.

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
 
Will you allow enough wine for Christians to participate in communion?

1 Corinthians 10:16
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

According to some, that's enough to send you to hell for an eternity.

Those "some" being they who do not accept the full counsel of God...
For the Passover there was to be nothing used that was fermented, leavened.
 
Thank you but credit for my abstinence is not due to me for I loved being drunk. Applaud the Lord for that change.
Thank you for the small testimony. Here therein lays the crux of the matter. Many can not handle intoxicants and become addicted. How are we to witness to such if we ourselves partake?
 
It could be an issue of cold-pressed oil vs. Heat-pressed or chemically extracted. Heat and chemicals produce the best yields but the product is not as pure. I'll have to look in to it more.

Maybe cold pressed, organic, virgin olive oil is the best, and might be closer to how they used to process this oil?
 
Nice! My brother has done some cucumber fermenting during peak harvest here at the farm. Our fridge was packed with jars for a while lol. It only takes a few vines to give you way more cukes than you'd want to eat.

My sister has made kombucha too. I looked into the non-alcoholic version like you suggested. 🙂 There's definitely ways to limit the alcohol but it looks like they're just aiming for low levels. Less than half a percent is legally considered non-alcoholic, so I guess that's why I never get carded for buying it, I had wondered about that. 🤔

I've looked into ancient heat-preserving methods and haven't come up with much of anything until the late 1800s, when heat-resistant glass was invented and pasteurization was "officially" discovered 🤔. I am genuinely curious if you or anyone else here knows of any actual attempts (ancient or modern) to heat-preserve grape juice using the materials available during Jesus' time?

I'm not being argumentative, I am truly curious... I have heard some insist it was possible, and maybe it was... but nobody has ever proven it, and the method was never described in the Bible (unlike fermentation, which was mentioned often and Jesus even used it in parables relating to the Holy Spirit).

I am also curious why this incredibly valuable knowledge of food preservation (very important and commercially viable topic!) would have been lost between Jesus' time and the 1800s 🤔

Again, not trying to argue, just curious what you can share 🙂



If you have a natural history museum nearby or where you vacation, that would be a good place to visit with such good questions.
As a young boy I used to visit the Carnegie Museums. Their dinosaur display admittedly was all bogus with fictional dates pushing the religion of Evilution.
However other favorite areas were ancient anthropology.
What was interesting were the remains of ancient tools and utensils.

It gets you thinking about how people survived before the industrial revolution of machines, industry and mass production.
What existed throughout history that did not require specialized equipment, assuming that machines and forgings did not exist?

Bamboo: a simple container for beverages is already designed by God and ready to use! The nodes seal the top and bottom. The cut top node just needs a stopper.
There are different materials, but you are already familiar with cork. That's been in common use for a long time, as bees wax, pitch resins from trees. Genesis 6:14 KJV

"Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."

All the bottles from that far back would be broken and no longer remain, especially since the flood destroyed all remains of mankind. Using reasoning we can conclude that if God provided the instructions for such an amazing marvel of engineering, it would be a small matter to use the technique to seal other items that required to be airtight.
Louis Pasteur was given credit for modern pasteurization. This was for the extra sure/quick high production for canneries. That doesn't mean that people didn't know how to heat beverages and food. The just needed to sterilize the containers and seal them. No real requirements for Ball Mason Jars, although they do make it much more sure for large quantities. Other methods were doubtless discovered and lost through the ages as was the case for everything but God's preserved Word.

What other materials were also created by the Lord for containers (bottles/jars) that could be sealed?

2. Clay
3. Glass (heated silica from volcanic flows would reveal this.)
4. Soap Stone
5. Hard woods
6. Various metals (there are many biblical records of cups, etc.)

There are many more, but that's a few off the top of my head.
Keep in mind that sealed containers oxidize, get brittle and lose their integrity. People destroy and build over developed areas of other structures constantly, so there really are relatively few ancient remains intact. If anything was worth anything to anyone, they'd sell, trade or use them.
A beeswax sealed stopper would not likely show anything resembling wax after a few thousand years. The same with any other soft materials like cork.
Even modern construction materials like adhesives degrade as do petroleum based polymers/plastics. These even have the benefits of major chemical engineering.

I just pulled a cracked jar out of my freezer today that I put cheese in. It was at a constant temperature for months.
If the modern glass was outside in the elements exposed to thousands of cycles of freezing and thaws, it would not contain ancient cheese if buried under rubble. That's cheese stored in a climate controlled box in a modern cannery jar that benefits from all the tech we have for food storage. If this is the case, it's a wonder that anything like wine bottles remain from way back.

This isn't THE Oldest, but rather the remains of the oldest discovery of a sealed bottle.

Isn't this cool? 🍾😎👍
3,000 Year Old Sealed Bottle of Wine

Keep in mind that there are people making new doctrines based on their lack of knowledge of Scriptures as well as history and archaeology.
This bottle is likely from around the time of Christ on Earth.
 
Thank you for the small testimony. Here therein lays the crux of the matter. Many can not handle intoxicants and become addicted. How are we to witness to such if we ourselves partake?
Addiction is a self control issue. The alcohol is not the problem. It’s the way it is used or consumed. If I see my children driving recklessly, I don’t feel the need to stop driving myself before I can tell them to drive safely. I tell them to drive safely because I love them and don’t want to see them hurt. If a brother or sister is addicted to alcohol then they should be helped. It doesn’t mean we have to stop drinking to tell them they need help. Now would it be more loving to not drink in front of them. Of course but that doesn’t mean that we would need to not do it at all.
 
It could be an issue of cold-pressed oil vs. Heat-pressed or chemically extracted. Heat and chemicals produce the best yields but the product is not as pure. I'll have to look in to it more.

Maybe cold pressed, organic, virgin olive oil is the best, and might be closer to how they used to process this oil?

Cold pressed is the best and it's also more expensive. It also has certain anti-cancer properties.
It also may burn a bit on the mouth because it's so pure.
I use this one: https://laconiko.com/
 
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Addiction is a self control issue. The alcohol is not the problem. It’s the way it is used or consumed. If I see my children driving recklessly, I don’t feel the need to stop driving myself before I can tell them to drive safely. I tell them to drive safely because I love them and don’t want to see them hurt. If a brother or sister is addicted to alcohol then they should be helped. It doesn’t mean we have to stop drinking to tell them they need help. Now would it be more loving to not drink in front of them. Of course but that doesn’t mean that we would need to not do it at all.
Sad...take care
 
Keep in mind, it was impossible for booze to be served as the Last Supper.

The Mosaic Law required that all things associated with fermentation - baked
goods, yeast, AND GRAPE JUICE THAT HAD TURNED INTO BOOZE had to be removed from
their midst in preparation for the Passover, on which the Last Supper fell -

Because the sun had set by the time they were eating and drinking which means
Thursday was over and Friday had come. Any Christian worth his salt knows Jesus
was taken into custody after the Last Supper, spent the night, the morning, and
afternoon in jail, before covetous Jew farce trials, and then was crucified before
the sun set and Friday would turn into Sabbath.

Could you site Scripture plz?