The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[rogerg]

“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18

And IMHO, I would respectfully suggest that the "laws" spoken of are the laws of the New Covenant, not the laws of Old Covenant;
that is, any law which is part of and the basis of, the New Covenant, must be law that achieves its desired end, which end,
is that for those whom God places under it, their sins will be remembered no more. It cannot represent any law or commandment that contradicts, is contrary to, impedes, restricts, or makes dependent upon man's actions, that end not being realized, such as with OC law.

 

[Qt]

it is evident to me that all you say other do wrong applies instead to you and fits like a glove. i think you see this and probably do it on purpose, no need to reply.

I pray that you continue posting. I’ve been blessed by you and Sabbath. Blessings. And a few others.

 

[markss]

can we do sacrifices for our sins are all these laws still valid? refer to the jesusalem council and what they kept from the law of Moses for the gentiles....

Blessings

Remember what James said, though, as they decided what to do.

Acts 15:19-21 KJV
19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

It was a concession in favor of the Jews who lived alongside them, who had been taught of Moses their entire lives. These were to avoid offending them, as I see it.

Much love!

 

[markss]

And IMHO, I would respectfully suggest that the "laws" spoken of are the laws of the New Covenant, not the laws of Old Covenant;
that is, any law which is part of and the basis of, the New Covenant, must be law that achieves its desired end, which end,
is that for those whom God places under it, their sins will be remembered no more. It cannot represent any law or commandment that contradicts, is contrary to, impedes, restricts, or makes dependent upon man's actions, that end not being realized, such as with OC law.

I'm of the mind that all Israel will be saved, and will keep all the Law in the millennial kingdom. As a gentile, I never was in the covenant God made with Israel. The Law I am commanded to keep is that I trust in Jesus, and love others, the Law of Love.

Much love!

 

[rogerg]

I'm of the mind that all Israel will be saved, and will keep all the Law in the millennial kingdom. As a gentile, I never was in the covenant God made with Israel. The Law I am commanded to keep is that I trust in Jesus, and love others, the Law of Love.

Much love!

Okay, but consider that Scripture refers to two Israels: earthly Israel as opposed to the Israel of God - spiritual Israel. The Israel of God is comprised of everyone whom God will ever save and them alone; earthly Israel consists of many who will never become saved. So, I think in the verses you have in mind they are refering to the Israel of God - spiritual Israel not earthly Israel.

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[markss]

Okay, but consider that Scripture refers to two Israels: earthly Israel as opposed to the Israel of God - spiritual Israel. The Israel of God is comprised of everyone whom God will ever save and them alone; earthly Israel consists of many who will never become saved. So, I think in the verses you have in mind they are refering to the Israel of God - spiritual Israel not earthly Israel.

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

As I see it . . . The "Israel of God" is "believing Israel".

In saying, "the Israel of God", Paul was not expanding "Israel" to include Gentiles, he was limiting "Israel" to only those who believe in Jesus.

I believe God made promises to Israel according to the flesh (the children of Jacob) that He will keep for them, and that Israel remains a national entity in God's sight.

Remember . . . In Christ is neither Greek nor Jew.

As I see it . . . Gentiles don't gain a new national identity "Israel" when they are reborn. Rather, Jews lose that distinction when they are reborn in this current age.

Much love!

 

[rogerg]

As I see it . . . The "Israel of God" is "believing Israel".

In saying, "the Israel of God", Paul was not expanding "Israel" to include Gentiles, he was limiting "Israel" to only those who believe in Jesus.

I believe God made promises to Israel according to the flesh (the children of Jacob) that He will keep for them, and that Israel remains a national entity in God's sight.

Remember . . . In Christ is neither Greek nor Jew.

As I see it . . . Gentiles don't gain a new national identity "Israel" when they are reborn. Rather, Jews lose that distinction when they are reborn in this current age.

Much love!

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[Rom 9:24-26 KJV]
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[markss]

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1 Peter 1:1 LITV
1) Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, of Galatia, of Cappadocia, of Asia, and of Bithynia,

Peter wrote addressing his letter to the chosen sojouners of the diaspora, that is, to the Jews who were scattered to other lands.

Faith in Christ gives them the fulfillment of God's promise, that they will be a special people to God.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Hosea 1:9-10 KJV
9) Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10) Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

This was likewise concerning Isreal.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
[Rom 9:24-26 KJV]
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Same as above.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham's seed, not Jacob's seed. We are never called the children of Jacob.

As always . . . as I see it.

Much love!

 

[vassal]

No, "follow me" does not mean to follow after OC law (which law was done away with for those in Christ), but to follow after Jesus specifically as the Savior, not OC law. Those who seek to establish their righteousness by the keeping of it are under God's wrath; those He saves are under grace. By informing us that He would fulfill the law, He informed us that “we don’t have to” follow law for righteousness - righteousness is imputed solely from Christ, by Christ, through grace. There is no righteousness to be found by keeping the OC law, and so we are not governed by it.
For those to whom it is given, salvation comes as a completely free gift from God; as such, our obedience provides no part in the receiving of it. For those saved, the Old Covenant law is done away with in Christ. I'll post the same verses I posted to SabbathBlessing:

[2Co 3:10-18 KJV]
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.



Correct- Salvation is given as completely free gift from an exceedingly gracious, kind, loving and merciful Father through Jesus Christ the Savior to those whom He had chosen to salvation, even though none deserve it. To whom it is given, it is given in its completeness, with nothing withheld or dependent upon our satisfying of any stipulations or requirements, besides of having been chosen by Him for it.



No, He did not fulfill the law to show what true obedience looks like that we should be required to do likewise. He fulfilled the law so that His elect wouldn’t have to so in order to become saved. By Christ, for those He saves, OC law has been abolished, and salvation is only by His grace not law.
True obedience is to have faith in Christ alone as the Savior, not to the law. Obedience also comes as a gift from God unto those that He saves.

[Rom 1:5 KJV] 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

follow me from jesus means this "if you love me , keep my commandements,"

 

[rogerg]

Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is different.

1 Peter 1:1 LITV
1) Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, of Galatia, of Cappadocia, of Asia, and of Bithynia,

Peter wrote addressing his letter to the chosen sojouners of the diaspora, that is, to the Jews who were scattered to other lands.

Faith in Christ gives them the fulfillment of God's promise, that they will be a special people to God.

No, both Gentiles and Jews both were of the diaspora. If it was Jews only, Peter wouldn't have had to make a distinction that they "were not a people" because they would already be a people.

Abraham's seed, not Jacob's seed. We are never called the children of Jacob.

Abrham's spiritual seed was passed through Jacob to demonstrate that because of being physical seed, that did not make them heirs of the promise.

Okay, I guess since we won't come to an agreement on this, I don't think it makes sense to prolong this dialogue

 

[vassal]

Remember what James said, though, as they decided what to do.

Acts 15:19-21 KJV
19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

It was a concession in favor of the Jews who lived alongside them, who had been taught of Moses their entire lives. These were to avoid offending them, as I see it.

Much love!

i agree, but also for researching it i found out the gentiles were constantly exposed to these meats sacrifices to idols, did have some idols, and some engaged in sexual immorality, there were very prevalent then. they asked the gentiles to stay clear of these also as it offends God also.

blessings

 

[markss]

Okay, I guess since we won't come to an agreement on this, I don't think it makes sense to prolong this dialogue

You seem like a nice guy so either way is good with me.

Much love!

 

[rogerg]

follow me from jesus means this "if you love me , keep my commandements,"

Yes, and those commandments are not the OC commandments because they were done away with - they are the NC commandments

[Eph 2:15 KJV] 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

 

[rogerg]

You seem like a nice guy so either way is good with me.

Much love!

Thanks, and the same to you.

 

[markss]

Yes, and those commandments are not the OC commandments because they were done away with - they are the NC commandments

[Eph 2:15 KJV] 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Yes, we are under a higher law, Trust, and Love.

1 John 3:22-24 KJV
22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Much love!

 

[rogerg]

Yes, we are under a higher law, Trust, and Love.

1 John 3:22-24 KJV
22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Much love!

Thanks markss, I couldn't quite remember where those verses are located.

 

[GWH]

I asked you to you because you brought it up, but can't even provide the context Paul is quoting, otherwise you would just provide it.

Ditto. Practice what you preach.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Ditto. Practice what you preach.

I have quoted the references many times and happy to provide it in great detail. I asked you because you brought it up, but you being so reluctant to provide evidence for what you post, I can see why it’s just easier to turn it around. If someone asked me to provide evidence for what I post I would not hesitate. If we knew the answers we would be happy to provide it.

 

[Undergrace1]

Remember what James said, though, as they decided what to do.

Acts 15:19-21 KJV
19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

It was a concession in favor of the Jews who lived alongside them, who had been taught of Moses their entire lives. These were to avoid offending them, as I see it.

Much love!

Yes, it was a compromise of sorts to bring unity in the council

 

[GWH]

Under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is different.

No, both Gentiles and Jews both were of the diaspora. If it was Jews only, Peter wouldn't have had to make a distinction that they "were not a people" because they would already be a people.

Abrham's spiritual seed was passed through Jacob to demonstrate that because of being physical seed, that did not make them heirs of the promise.

Okay, I guess since we won't come to an agreement on this, I don't think it makes sense to prolong this dialogue

I agree there is no need to play ping regarding this issue, but I did want to mention that Peter's ministry was focused on Jews,
whereas Paul's was oriented toward Gentiles, so employing both-and logic we can see that although Peter's epistle was addressed to Jews, he did not intend to contradict Paul's doctrine in Romans that only spiritual Jews satisfy GRFS.