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You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18
yes, this is an effort on God's part, not ours. His work.
we can be assured He is faithful to do what He has said.
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Amen
All believers know in their minds God does not want them to steal, lie, commit adultery, take His name in vain, covet, murder
And all believers would say in their hearts(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things
for the old man has died, and Christ lives in us - - the Author and Finisher of our faith: He that writes and also completes!
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Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question Acts15:5&6
So the leaders of the first century church met to decide which of the laws of Moses gentiles be asked to observe. Four were mentioned, three of which it is widely assumed were given to bring unity at the meeting.
If gentiles are supposed to obey all possible Torah then it is an indisputable fact the leaders of the first century church, including Peter, James and Paul gave gentiles a licence to sin as sin is the transgression of the law. No way around that I’m afraid.
Now some respond to this. ‘’They started with four laws, more would follow in time’’
But God’s applicable laws are not arbitrary, you cannot pick and choose which ones you follow and which ones you ignore. You cannot pick and choose whether you commit sin or not.
The argument fails anyway, as years later, the leaders of the church confirmed to Paul they were STILL(STILL) only asking gentiles to follow the same four laws, none had been added!(Acts21:25)
Did Paul really believe gentiles must obey all possible Torah?
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Col2:16&17
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean Rom14:14
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. ALL(ALL) food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble verse20
And of course, Paul was there at the Jerusalem council.
the people who start these threads like to delete 99% of the jots and tittles of Torah and boast and judge others by 1% of them.
but Torah is not seperable like this. sabbath is ceremonial, not moral; Christ said to those under Torah, woe to whoever teaches against the least part, and that the foundation of the law is in Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 29, not Exodus 20 - - James also said breaking any commandment makes one guilty of all, and specifically references the decalogue as examples of what is broken by accusing his audience of breaking an obscure levitacal code against showing favoritism to the rich, and Paul told us directly that anyone allowing themselves to be circumcised is under the entire Torah. one preaches ceremonial sabbath inactivity as required to be saved? then they must also present blood offerings to the Levites in the temple.
these people do not understand what they read - - and utterly refuse to accept the clear teachings of the New Covenant, that we have died with Christ, and are therefore not liable to Torah, at all. that is Salvation, praise God! we are bought, paid for, and forgiven
'''Go and sin no more''
Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?” John7:19
Was Jesus literally telling the woman to do what he knew no one else did?
And if he was, what need would she have of a saviour from sin if she obeyed?
''Go and commit adultery no more''[/QUOTE]
I stepped away for a bit, but I found myself meditating on this exact thought with the sense that the sin Jesus was speaking of was a 'higher' level of unfaithfulness, unbelief. And, if she had come to the revelation of Him as "Lord" as she had addressed Him so, she would have understood Him perfectly. Just as Jesus had promised of what the Holy Spirit would do, it would go without saying, being One, that He would do the same while He was with us. "And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me;... (Jn 16:8-10)."
As to why the crowd was trying to kill Him, well, He was exposing their sin because they were just as blind as the Pharisees (Jn 9:41).
May I add, we don't worship and pray once a week.
Under the new covenant we are Christians 24/7 and our worship and prayer is 24/7.
We are not under the law and never were under the law because we, were never the covenant people.
The ten commandments are the law as Paul states in Romans seven.
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I stepped away for a bit, but I found myself meditating on this exact thought with the sense that the sin Jesus was speaking of was a 'higher' level of unfaithfulness, unbelief. And, if she had come to the revelation of Him as "Lord" as she had addressed Him so, she would have understood Him perfectly. Just as Jesus had promised of what the Holy Spirit would do, it would go without saying, being One, that He would do the same while He was with us. "And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me;... (Jn 16:8-10)."
As to why the crowd was trying to kill Him, well, He was exposing their sin because they were just as blind as the Pharisees (Jn 9:41).[/QUOTE]
Jesus lived under the old covenant and was faithful to it, but he also looked forward to the new covenant that was to come. In the verses you quoted from John16:8-10, he did not say, concerning what was to come, ''in regard to sin transgression of the law'' but rather ''in regard to sin because they do not believe in me.''
A message Paul went into great detail preaching:
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. Rom3:21&22
As to why the crowd was trying to kill Him, well, He was exposing their sin because they were just as blind as the Pharisees (Jn 9:41).[/QUOTE]
Jesus lived under the old covenant and was faithful to it, but he also looked forward to the new covenant that was to come. In the verses you quoted from John16:8-10, he did not say, concerning what was to come, ''in regard to sin transgression of the law'' but rather ''in regard to sin because they do not believe in me.''
A message Paul went into great detail preaching:
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. Rom3:21&22
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I often wonder, if Torah observers take comfort in the fact they can faultlessly obey the law of rite, ritual and ceremony, as could the worst of sinners(Phil3:6) and as could the pharisees of Jesus day. And they may think that makes up for their indiscretions concerning the TC, for no one can faultlessly obey that law, as neither could the worst of sinners(Rom7:7-11) But as you quoted, transgress one you transgress them all. Incidentally, surprising as it may seem, those who insist you must obey the TC also say they believe ''Transgress one you transgress them all' which makes them guilty of transgressing all ten.
Can you show me from Scripture where God wrote with ink on scrolls. God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the living God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger on stone, not ink. You are misinterpreting this plain Scripture. Humans wrote with ink, not God. God wrote the Ten Commandments its all throughout our Bibles and when we reject them according to Paul we are an enmity to God. Whoever we obey is who we serve, when we reject what God told us to live by and replace with words of another, we are making a decision of who we serve or worship. I trust God, not just with 90% of what He wrote because He knows what’s best for us but even with the commandment He asked us to Remember, because what He asks is greater than anything that could replace it.
I can show you in Ephesians that the Gentiles are included in the New Covenant,
and the only mention of the Ten Commandments was to say they were abolished by the cross (Eph. 2:4-22).
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I am not misrepresenting the plain scripture at all:
written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts
The above covers what is written in ink AND what was placed on tablets of stone. You don't have to apologise for bearing false witness, I wouldn't expect it from someone who continually states'' You must obey the TC''
The Ten Commandments was never written with ink, it was written by the Spirit of the living God. You keep relying on your own understanding but not on Scripture. Show me in Scripture where God wrote His commandments with ink. That’s what man did, written on scrolls with ink. God wrote His laws on tablets of stone by the finger of God, which is the Holy Spirit and I can prove this by Scripture. What the Spirit of the living God wrote on tablets of stone, went to tablets of the heart as the plain Scripture says which is God’s New Covenant Heb8:10 God keeping His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19, because God makes no mistakes, we do by not trusting Him fully.
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Its not looking good you continuing this. 2Cor3:3 covers what is written in ink AND(AND) what was on tablets of stone
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So I repeat, no need for you to apologise for bearing false witness, I wouldn't expect it from someone who repeatedly states: ''You must obey the TC''
If this were true that God wrote the Ten Commandments with ink you would find this in the OT when God wrote the Ten Commandments- so prove it by Scripture and not your words. You would also have to prove the Author of the Ten Commandments is not the Spirit of the living God. You want me to ignore what God said on this matter and just trust you. Thank you, but no thanks. Your words are not Scripture and I will never trust man over my Creator. Prove what you teach by Scripture, we need to remember our words are not the same and we are plainly warned to not speak for God. Pro 30:5-6