Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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Oh yes he is. read it please.
1cor chapter 12 states:
1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2 You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
As we read on Paul is not giving language or rule or Command by the Lord not to seek or that the Gifts have stopped or will in chapter 12.
Moreover Paul is encouraging tom seek and desire them as that Spirit enables and distributes.
Chapter 13 is known as the Love Chapter:
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
Nothing in chapter 13 states that they gifts have been done away with. That was assumed by those who tried to suggest this was speaking about the canonization of the bible. That is not true. The Historical context of verse 8-10 is when we See Christ at His return.
Chapter 14 Opens with this:
1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
Paul end the text unit chapter with this in chapter 14:
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Nothing remotely even says they have stopped or Paul not encouraging us to pursue them and desire Spiritual gifts.
in chapter 15 Paul speaks on the coming of the Lord which testifies to the understand of Chapter 13 "that which is Perfect comes."
Faith alone should result into actions. A person will become what they read. They will separate themselves from the world in appearance, in the way they conduct themselves and speak.
A person will become a Disciple or Student of God and begin doing things that resemble what the Disciples of Jesus were doing.
A person will be doers and not just hearers (readers) only.
There will be real action involved if someone truly has Faith in God.
If they don't, they aren't and were never Saved.
There is no allegorizing in his comment.
The irony is that the only allegorizing is your silly attempt of using the "Jesus the Bread of Life" comment for manna.
Also, the following:
The gift of manna ceased without a proclamation.
The gift of tongues ceased without a proclamation.
is not interpretation, it is simply the actuality that we live in.
If you believe we are living in an age of the miraculous as during the New Testament then you are delusional as well as ignorant.
Nothing personal but you seem rather uneducated as well.
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
God pours out the Holy Spirit on Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. They haven't been baptized yet. They haven't performed any rituals. They simply heard the message about Jesus death & resurrection & believed it. Peter later explains that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). The Holy Spirit's coming is God's own testimony that He had accepted them.
Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). The Holy Spirit's coming is God's own testimony that He had accepted them. This isn't a theological inference, it's an inspired apostolic explanation of what happened.
The Holy Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Gal 3:2, Eph 1:13, Rom 4:5). The text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
Paul plainly describes the moment of salvation:
They HEARD, they BELIEVED & God SEALED them with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit. No hint of delay, no additional requirement, no uncertainty. The sealing came at BELIEF, because salvation rests on Christ's finished work, not on mans performance.
that is your opinion.
I guess you never read The Gospel of John 6:48- 51:
48. I am that bread of life.
49. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
the Manna in context to what Jesus said was metaphorical If you knew your Greek man'-nah and which is Manna In Hebrew.
ar'-tos is the bread made with hands
it seem you are mistaken about my point of Manna and Jesus having Symbolism, as Jesus Himself made the claim Not me
The only thing delusional is your understanding, The Gifts of the Holy Spirit have not ended. If i am educated that makes you unlearned of the word of God as you did not even know John chapter 6. Here ends the lesson.
"The gift of tongues ceased without a proclamation."
Only if you could prove that with the word of GOD. Which you have not. provide one verse that says Tongues have stopped and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. You can't. again you repeated his allegorizing which over spiritualizing the text. That is improper Exegesis. as Educated as you claim to be you should have known that. As you should have known John chapter 6
You can name call all you like just provide Bible ok most cowards name call when the person is not in front of them. Just provide the biblical support ok. Please read what I said. I never said gift of manna from heaven to the Israelites ceasing is an opinion. I said everyone has their opinion. No need to get person just deal with John chapter 6 and Provide the text that states Tongues have stopped and are not for today. simple.
you can make any comment you like just provide chapter and verse. What you say means nothing without Chapter and verse.
If you don't see what Jesus said about Manna in John chapter 6 then that is your issue not mine.
Did you not lie down and think about what you wrote?
Okay, how about this.
Show me the chapter and verse that states the gifts of manna and tongues must have a Biblical proclamation before ceasing.
While we are at it, show me the chapter and verse that states what is being called tongues today is the same as New Testament tongues.
are you ok show me where I said proclamation in any one of my post. I think you have been up late. it was not I who used that term. Were done ok. I will leave you to yourself and your understanding we will not agree and that ok. Have nice day.
Whoever you have reading these comments to you is not paying attention.
I have answered this already in post #2349.
Again, whatever Jesus said in John 6 about Him being the Bread of Life does not change the fact that the gift of manna ceased without a proclamation.
You are just presenting this as a red herring.
Those who become filled with Holy Spirit and speak in tongues do so through an act of faith. The experience doesn't occur before a willingness to believe. We are to believe what God has revealed concerning any topic in order for the associated reality to come to pass. That's called Faith.See now we have a modern day delima. We have scripture that clearly teach that the gifts of witness will cease when there purpose is fulfilled. Then some cling to personal experience over recorded word. here is a study on recorded word.Did Tongues Serve a Temporary Purpose?
A Biblical Teaching Outline
I. Define the Question Biblically (Not Experientially)
Key issue:
Not “Do people claim tongues today?”
But “What does the New Testament teach about their purpose and duration?”
2 Corinthians 5:7 — “For we walk by faith, not by sight.”
Doctrine must rest on revelation, not experience.
II. What the Bible Clearly Says Tongues Are
A. Tongues are a sign, not a norm
1 Corinthians 14:22
“Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.”
Audience: Unbelievers
Function: Witness / confirmation
Source: Isaiah 28:11–12 (judgment sign to unbelieving Israel)
B. Tongues confirm the spoken word
Mark 16:20
“Confirming the word with signs following”
Hebrews 2:3–4
“God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders…”
Tongues are tied to:
Oral proclamation
Foundational revelation
Divine authentication
III. Where Tongues Appear in the Biblical Record
A. Directly given by the Spirit (no hands)
Acts 2:1–4 — Jews
Acts 10:44–46; 11:15 — Gentiles
B. Given through apostolic hands
Acts 8:17 — Samaritans
Acts 19:6 — Disciples of John
Observation:
Tongues appear only at key redemptive transitions:
Jew
Samaritan
Gentile
No repeated pattern beyond this foundational period.
IV. What the Epistles Do With Tongues
A. Regulation, not expansion
1 Corinthians 12–14 correct misuse
Tongues ranked lower than:
prophecy
understanding
edification
1 Corinthians 14:19
“Five words… than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”
B. Paul explicitly says tongues will cease
1 Corinthians 13:8
“Whether there be tongues, they shall cease.”
The question is when, not if.
V. When Do Tongues Cease According to the Text?
A. When their purpose is fulfilled
Signs confirm revelation
Revelation becomes recorded Scripture
Jude 3 — “The faith… once for all delivered”
John 20:31 — “These are written, that ye might believe”
B. When faith shifts from signs to Scripture
Luke 16:31
“If they hear not Moses and the prophets…”
2 Timothy 3:16–17
Scripture makes the man of God complete
No verse says:
tongues continue to confirm Scripture
signs are needed after the record is complete
VI. The Narrative Trajectory of the New Testament
Acts — Signs appear, spread, authenticate
Early Epistles — Gifts regulated and restrained
Later Epistles — Tongues not mentioned
No text records tongues after apostolic foundation
VII. What the Bible Does Not Say (Important)
The Bible never says:
Tongues continue until the end of the church age
Tongues are the normal evidence for all believers
Tongues are needed to sustain faith
Continuation requires inference; cessation fits textual flow.
VIII. Final Biblical Conclusion
Tongues were a sign for unbelievers
1 Corinthians 13:13
“Now abideth faith, hope, charity… but the greatest of these is charity.”
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 states that tongues will cease when "the perfect" comes. There is nothing more perfect than Jesus and the age He will usher in. It is at that point that gifts will no longer be necessary because they will be replaced by direct knowledge.
The Bible reveals that speaking in tongues is a sign used to draw unbelievers and for edification of believers. The idea that these needs no longer exist couldn't be further from the truth.
Note: Believers expect to speak in tongues upon being filled with the Holy Ghost. Scripture records the absence of evidence revealed the infilling of the Holy Ghost had not taken place and the assistance of others was necessary. (Acts 8:12-18, 19:1-7)
Brother This dude is stuck on Oral proclamation he says :
"We have scripture that clearly teach that the gifts of witness will cease when there purpose is fulfilled."
Yet he did not provide one verse that said just that. No one he went on a incoherent biblical rant. One would get a neck injury with all the jumping around to Manipulate scripture to support a false Narrative. Don't cast your Peals. he is deranged.
Clearly we disagree.
Joel's prophecy indicates God will pour out His Spirit upon ALL flesh. The prophecy started at Pentecost and will continue until Jesus returns:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 2:17-18
Peter's message about receiving the Holy Ghost pertains to ALL:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
Well the comment is correct, but misses the point that there purpose has not yet fulfilled: The Bible reveals that speaking in tongues is the sign God uses to draw unbelievers and for edification of believers. And as I said, the idea that these needs no longer exist couldn't be further from the truth.