Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?
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I didn't say that they should be worried - but be prepared and be ready, that their faith won't fail them. A lot of them aren't though.
I can't speak for anyone else's belief; I'm just sharing my perspective of the topic, especially noting Jesus' prayer to our Father in Jn 17:15, and with the inclusion of Jn 17:20.
If you would like an idea of what will happen to us for rejecting the antichrist, you can watch "La Rafle" (The Roundup) for FREE:
It's in French and a bitnof German, so I hope you read fast!
Here is the trailer:
La Rafle Trailer
Most of these people died....
Please prepare for the great tribulation as our Lord Jesus says!
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If anyone watches this movie, please post what you learned from it and things that impacted you. There is A LOT in this movie.
Tribulation is Satan's wrath on God's people.
So, why is God going to let Satans wrath fall upon you?
Why did God let Satan's wrath fall on Jesus and Christian martyrs throughout history?
Matthew 10:24 A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master."
Luke 6:40 "A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher."
We're not special.
️Then what do we do with this verse?
1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
And I do consider the Seals, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgements to be the wrath of God
Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord comes,
cruel, with wrath and fierce anger,
to make the earth a desolation
and to destroy its sinners from it.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
And I do consider the Seals, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgements to be the wrath of God
Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord comes,
cruel, with wrath and fierce anger,
to make the earth a desolation
and to destroy its sinners from it.
What about them? They're talking about God’s wrath toward people who have rejected Him and His salvation.
I'm never worried about God’s wrath, even if we might still be here when He begins. God protected the Hebrews among the Egyptians when He sent His plagues on the Egyptians. He will do the same for us.
---------------------------------------------------------------What about them? They're talking about God’s wrath toward people who have rejected Him and His salvation.
I'm never worried about God’s wrath, even if we might still be here when He begins. God protected the Hebrews among the Egyptians when He sent His plagues on the Egyptians. He will do the same for us.
Zech14:16
16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths.
How about these unrighteous folks?
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
The Bible says the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
The beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he cannot have that power unless God gives it to him.
So the tribulation is not for the world but the saints.
Which the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them.
And they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
When he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things are finished.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Then comes the end when Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God and puts down the world.
Which means the heathen do not continue.
If the resurrection happened before that the heathen would continue.
But when the resurrection happens they do not continue because it is the end.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
There is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints and 1 of the dead.
The beast makes war against the saints so there is saints on earth.
But there is no tribulation saints if the saints are resurrected before the man of sin is revealed.
Because there is only 1 resurrection of the saints.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
And for people that would say the tribulation saints are on earth when Jesus comes back all the saints are with Him.
And no person can be saved after the resurrection happens for they did not accept the truth including hypocrites.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
The Bible says the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
The beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he cannot have that power unless God gives it to him.
So the tribulation is not for the world but the saints.
Which the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them.
And they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
When he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things are finished.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Then comes the end when Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God and puts down the world.
Which means the heathen do not continue.
If the resurrection happened before that the heathen would continue.
But when the resurrection happens they do not continue because it is the end.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
There is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints and 1 of the dead.
The beast makes war against the saints so there is saints on earth.
But there is no tribulation saints if the saints are resurrected before the man of sin is revealed.
Because there is only 1 resurrection of the saints.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
And for people that would say the tribulation saints are on earth when Jesus comes back all the saints are with Him.
And no person can be saved after the resurrection happens for they did not accept the truth including hypocrites.
Not at all.What for though?
The pre-tribulation rapture is suppose to happen FIRST before the antichrist is revealed and the great tribulation starts.
The antichrist and great tribulation are suppose to arrive soon, possibly in the 2030s, after the EU elections in 2029. So the onus is on the pre-tribbers' rapture occuring to prove post-trib doctrine wrong.
This is why I have no motivation to correct pre-tribbers. You're all so smug right now as if it already happened, but I know most of you will freak out when it doesn't.
To be honest, I'm experiencing second-hand embarrassment for you all twisting so much scripture to convince yourselves that your pre-trib false doctrine will work.
The ac being revealed is before he takes power.
As in Obama being revealed a year before he became president.
It says "revealed", and I have always maintained the AC is revealed and then the rapture.
But let's play out what you are saying.
Let's assume the AC takes power and then the rapture.
The AC can be in power for a month before he kills his first believer.
So in a month after the AC is ruler, ( your def of "revealed"), a rapture at that time, is still pretrib, because no trib has started.
So either way, the "revealed" dynamic is a nothing burger and aligns perfectly With the pree tribulation rapture doctrine.
That is like me saying a lot of you postribbers will panic when we go up and those postribs stay, as their faith has dictated, ....but that would be pure opinion.This is a great opportunity to talk about what we'll face in the great tribulation. This is to everone who reads this:
In truth, a lot of you will panic and betray the brethren just to try to save your skins. It's what will happen when you don't prepare to endure the great tribulation in Christ to wait until after the end of it for His return.
You have no idea how bad it will be when the antichrist takes everything from us for not woshipping him and taking his mark. Read how Hitler took everything away from the Jews, banning them from places of work and education at first, and then public places, etc. Hitler moved them to ghettos and took their proprety and posessions "for the Reich" (but really, they were for him and his chronies).
And last of all, Hitler killed them. The Bible says about the antichrist:
Revelation 13:7 states: "And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, people, language, and nation."
So this shows the antichrist will be allowed to take physical things from us, but if we build up our faith and trust in Christ, making Jesus our fortess, He will help us not to fall away from Him - that is the most important thing to Jesus.
We really don't have much time to waste pseudo-debating this. Build up your faith in Christ now. Believe He will provide for you when your things get taken away from you.
And when it's time for you to be executed, know with all you heart, as Steven, did that Jesus will be with you and that you will come home to Him.
Rev 13I'm not going to throw pearls before swine.
Keep believing in your false pre-trib rapture.
"The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast. 4 They worshiped the dragon for giving the beast such power, and they also worshiped the beast. “Who is as great as the beast?” they exclaimed. “Who is able to fight against him?”
5 Then the beast was allowed to speak great blasphemies against God. And he was given authority to do whatever he wanted for forty-two months. 6 And he spoke terrible words of blasphemy against God, slandering his name and his dwelling—that is, those who dwell in heaven.[a] 7 And the beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation. 8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made.
15 He was then permitted to give life to this statue so that it could speak. Then the statue of the beast commanded that anyone refusing to worship it must die.
16 He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead. 17 And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name.
God's word.
Sobering to those left behind.
Post-tribbers have the Holy Spirit too. According to the false pre-trib teaching, the Holy Spirit is the restrainer and will be removed, which means all Christians will be taken, including post-trib believers.
But according to your false pre-trib teaching there will be tribulation saints. How can they be saved without the Holy Spirit. Your false pre-trib doctrine is a mess of contradictions.
️True.Not everone will be a soldier at Armageddon. Civilians will survive.
Many survive.
But Rev 13 plainly says anyone Refusing the mark will get their head chopped off.
What is the contradiction here?Post-tribbers have the Holy Spirit too. According to the false pre-trib teaching, the Holy Spirit is the restrainer and will be removed, which means all Christians will be taken, including post-trib believers.
But according to your false pre-trib teaching there will be tribulation saints. How can they be saved without the Holy Spirit. Your false pre-trib doctrine is a mess of contradictions.
Rev 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Vs 8 says all on the plant worship him who are not in the book
Is God's word correct?
Yes? Most of those will be Christians,
If you recaĺl, the dead rise first at the rapture, and then those who are alive and remain.
We'll be back. Death has no hold on us.
️Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
The beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he cannot have that power unless God gives it to him.
So the tribulation is not for the world but the saints.
God's wrath would not be there if He is allowing the beast to rule the world.
Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
The seals, and trumpets, are not the wrath of God.
The vials are the wrath of God which NIV say bowls.
Which happens after the 3.5 years the beast rules.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The trumpets are not the wrath of God but the doing of people.
God said after the 6th trumpet the world would not repent of their sins.
Which despite disasters that they caused they do not turn to God but they keep going on with their agenda to establish peace on earth by their own efforts.
And to establish their system that exalts people and there is no personal God.
An example is WW1, League of Nations to work for peace on earth, did not turn to God.
WW2, United Nations, did not turn to God.
And that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet which they do not repent of their sins and turn to God so He gives them the antichrist to rule over them.
The 6th trumpet is probably the religion of Islam against the world because of their agenda that exalts people and there is no personal God and nothing can be taught contrary to it.
Which it describes nuclear weapons and 3 sections of the world is plucked up by the roots.
Another disaster of people's doing which the world does not turn to God.
Both political parties actually working together the Hegel System.
Allowing illegal immigration to happen so the solution is to merge them as one.
Trump wanting Canada to be the 51st state to be a section of the 10 sections.
They keep going on with their plan not repenting of their sins and not turning to God.
WW1, WW2, among other disasters, all a set up to further their agenda.