Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
I'm not going to throw pearls before swine. 🫠

Keep believing in your false pre-trib rapture. 😊


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Oh I see, yours is one whose heart would rather call His Brothers & Sisters names than help them when they need help.

Way to go lady! And here we go. She can not explain it with scripture so when asked about it regresses into hostility that is largely indistinguishable from the enemy Himself. Trust a woman to say something stupid.
God bless you anyway Sister even if you hold to a post trib view. May He give you wisdom & Understanding and soften that hard heart of yours.
 
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Day of the Lord is the key to understanding the timing of end time events.

One such event is: Malachi 4:5


“Behold, I will send you Eli′jah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes.
 
Edward429451 said:
Oh I see, yours is one whose heart would rather call His Brothers & Sisters names than help them when they need help.

Way to go lady! And here we go. She can not explain it with scripture so when asked about it regresses into hostility that is largely indistinguishable from the enemy Himself. Trust a woman to say something stupid.
God bless you anyway Sister even if you hold to a post trib view. May He give you wisdom & Understanding and soften that hard heart of yours.
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Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

It's not about having a hard heart. Jesus Himself said don't throw pearls before swine. It means don't bother sharing Bible truth with people who won't value it.

I agree with Lord Jesus. He wasn't soft and a pushover. He didn't share His teaching with everyone, only to people who valued and learned from it.

And I don't mind if you think I can't explain the post-trib teaching. Feel free to gloat as much as you want! 😊


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

It's not about having a hard heart. Jesus Himself said don't throw pearls before swine. It means don't bother sharing Bible truth with people who won't value it.

I agree with Lord Jesus. He wasn't soft and a pushover. He didn't share His teaching with everyone, only to people who valued and learned from it.


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I rather doubt Jesus words would be meant to include this subject. Its not that important a matter in the grand scheme of things.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

It's not about having a hard heart. Jesus Himself said don't throw pearls before swine. It means don't bother sharing Bible truth with people who won't value it.

I agree with Lord Jesus. He wasn't soft and a pushover. He didn't share His teaching with everyone, only to people who valued and learned from it.

And I don't mind if you think I can't explain the post-trib teaching. Feel free to gloat as much as you want! 😊


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Don't talk to me ok?
 
Edward429451 said:
I know what he's talking about.

Matthew 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?.../KJV

They ask Jesus 3 questions. In verses 4 through 31 Jesus answers them and he finishes in verse 31

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other..../KJV

And then Jesus keeps on talking and says let's talk about something else starting in verse 32

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:.../KJV

Jesus finished answering what they asked about His 2nd coming and Jesus starts talking about the rapture if you read the rest of the chapter. Jesus changed the subject and most people gloss over that because they dont know Greek or are stoned or something. Jesus answered all 3 questions and then says lets learn something else...!!! See it?
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From reading through out the Bible, I seem to only get cliff notes that I can conjecture things from the verses, in my honest opinion, and so can many others
I see to see, and trust Father to reveal to me as needs to be revealed in Father and Son's timing. I see the end will happen. How, when and where exactly, I bet no one really knows but Father and Son as Won for us all to be in through continued belief to what is done by Son for us all. Hebrews 10 read the whole Chapter please. pointing out verse 10
I see be ready Daily as the Parable of the Ten Virgins reveals be ready 24/7. Me learning to not bounce in and out as have in past, now less than then
Father knows best in Son's done work for us we can rest Hebrews 4:9-13
 
Hakawaka said:
For you to claim Matthew 24 has two comings when the disciples ask what is the sign of your coming, singular, is already a SIGN that you are trying to over complicate the chapter to suit your pre-trib idea.

There is THE, parousia, one singular parousia. This is important for two reasons:

1. Psalm 110:1
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

2. Acts 3:20-21
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Jesus stays in heaven until His enemies are made His footstool and it is evident this happens at THE second coming. The definite article is there.
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Rev 14:14 has a gathering DURING THE TRIB.
( or maybe 1 thes 4 was mistaken, and the dead rise after the rev 14;14 gathering during the trib?)
that alone ends any hope of a postrib rapture.

The bible says all die refusing the mark.
The bible says all earth's inhabitants, not written In the book, take the mark.

Any one of those items make any hope of a postrib rapture impossible.

Not to mention the 2 gatherings of mat 24.

Postribs read "after", then run off high fiving their colleagues, and have never kept reading where Jesus places the rapture as pretrib.

Ahem...apart from the second coming.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
We do answer with scripture, but none of you accept it. So now we're just going to let the great tribulation tell you how false your doctrine is.

That's how sure post-trib rapture is. It's simple and doesn't need a lot of scripture twisting. It will prove itself.


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Post a postrib rapture verse.
Just one will do.
I would love to see it.
 
Edward429451 said:
This response is how Post tribbers usually answer. They can't answer questions or dismiss things as perspective and stuff but are unable to show us (wrong?) Pre tribbers the truth by scripture. You cant do it...
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Bingo.
Not only that, but I happen to know their doctrine even better than they do.
I watch post trib rapture teachers on YouTube all the time. I know everyone of Their talking points.
Now, contrast that to the members here on this board.
I don't know if any of them know what pretribulation rapture doctrine is or the verses that we use.

That is why the accuse us GENERALLY.
General is safe.
 
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Psalm1 said:
Bingo.
Not only that, but I happen to know their doctrine even better than they do.
I watch post trib rapture teachers on YouTube all the time. I know everyone of Their talking points.
Now, contrast that to the members here on this board.
I don't know if any of them know what pretribulation rapture doctrine is or the verses that we use.

That is why the accuse us GENERALLY.
General is safe.
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They have to stay safe, lol. I used to be post trib ! But I read it all for myself and took good notes! That little girl is prolly lucky she didnt try to go head to head with me with scripture about it because I think I have it all, lol.

She's much safer calling me a dog than trying to defend her viewpoint with scripture! Maybe I already said something that made her question if she might be wrong...and you know how girls wont take accountability, lol.
 
Psalm1 said:
Post a postrib rapture verse.
Just one will do.
I would love to see it.
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What for though?

The pre-tribulation rapture is suppose to happen FIRST before the antichrist is revealed and the great tribulation starts.

The antichrist and great tribulation are suppose to arrive soon, possibly in the 2030s, after the EU elections in 2029. So the onus is on the pre-tribbers' rapture occuring to prove post-trib doctrine wrong.

This is why I have no motivation to correct pre-tribbers. You're all so smug right now as if it already happened, but I know most of you will freak out when it doesn't.

To be honest, I'm experiencing second-hand embarrassment for you all twisting so much scripture to convince yourselves that your pre-trib false doctrine will work. 😵‍💫


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
What for though?

The pre-tribulation rapture is suppose to happen FIRST before the antichrist is revealed and the great tribulation starts.

The antichrist and great tribulation are suppose to arrive soon, possibly in the 2030s, after the EU elections in 2029. So the onus is on the pre-tribbers' rapture occuring to prove post-trib doctrine wrong.

This is why I have no motivation to correct pre-tribbers. You're all so smug right now as if it already happened, but I know most of you will freak out when it doesn't.

To be honest, I'm experiencing second-hand embarrassment for you all twisting so much scripture to convince yourselves that your pre-trib false doctrine will work. 😵‍💫


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What for though?

It is a thread to discuss it, that's why. Duh.

With no motivation to correct a pretribber perhaps your silence would be a big help! Dont you look down on your Brothers & Sisters in Christ who believe pre trib. In case you havent noticed, the Lord is teaching unity and love right now and I can tell you dont get those memos.

Your a rude girl.
 
Edward429451 said:
What for though?

It is a thread to discuss it, that's why. Duh.

With no motivation to correct a pretribber perhaps your silence would be a big help! Dont you look down on your Brothers & Sisters in Christ who believe pre trib. In case you havent noticed, the Lord is teaching unity and love right now and I can tell you dont get those memos.

Your a rude girl.
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This is a great opportunity to talk about what we'll face in the great tribulation. This is to everone who reads this:

In truth, a lot of you will panic and betray the brethren just to try to save your skins. It's what will happen when you don't prepare to endure the great tribulation in Christ to wait until after the end of it for His return.

You have no idea how bad it will be when the antichrist takes everything from us for not woshipping him and taking his mark. Read how Hitler took everything away from the Jews, banning them from places of work and education at first, and then public places, etc. Hitler moved them to ghettos and took their proprety and posessions "for the Reich" (but really, they were for him and his chronies).

And last of all, Hitler killed them. The Bible says about the antichrist:

Revelation 13:7 states: "And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, people, language, and nation."

So this shows the antichrist will be allowed to take physical things from us, but if we build up our faith and trust in Christ, making Jesus our fortess, He will help us not to fall away from Him - that is the most important thing to Jesus.

We really don't have much time to waste pseudo-debating this. Build up your faith in Christ now. Believe He will provide for you when your things get taken away from you.

And when it's time for you to be executed, know with all you heart, as Steven, did that Jesus will be with you and that you will come home to Him.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
This is a great opportunity to talk about what we'll face in the great tribulation. This is to everone who reads this:

In truth, a lot of you will panic and betray the brethren just to try to save your skins. It's what will happen when you don't prepare to endure the great tribulation in Christ to wait until after the end of it for His return.

You have no idea how bad it will be when the antichrist takes everything from us for not woshipping him and taking his mark. Read how Hitler took everything away from the Jews, banning them from places of work and education at first, and then public places, etc. Hitler moved them to ghettos and took their proprety and posessions "for the Reich" (but really, they were for him and his chronies).

And last of all, Hitler killed them. The Bible says about the antichrist:

Revelation 13:7 states: "And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, people, language, and nation."

So this shows the antichrist will be allowed to take physical things from us, but if we build up our faith and trust in Christ, making Jesus our fortess, He will help us not to fall away from Him - that is the most important thing to Jesus.

We really don't have much time to waste pseudo-debating this. Build up your faith in Christ now. Believe He will provide for you when your things get taken away from you.

And when it's time for you to be executed, know with all you heart, as Steven, did that Jesus will be with you and that you will come home to Him.


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I thought you wasnt motivated to correct pre tribbers so was going to not post to this thread anymore?
 
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