Understanding apologetics

[Jordon]

I'm not escalating nor an I arguing. You told get to tell me what I will and will not disclose. I will say it AGAIN I promise to tell you if you tell me why it matters. It's very simple.

just another one of your objections I guess

Honestly I've seen bigger storms in a tea cup.

 

[Jordon]

I'm not escalating nor an I arguing. You told get to tell me what I will and will not disclose. I will say it AGAIN I promise to tell you if you tell me why it matters. It's very simple.

And also this discussion also has something to do with sola fide and sola Gratia to, which is something Catholics really like to understand, well the ones who trust in the lord alone do, at least, and not the ones who are driven by there politics

Again tho I have to tell you because you won't watch the sermon.

It's like you only want to know what you want to hear, which makes you a silly billy.

It like climbing mount Everest talking to you

 

[Jordon]

You are not only mistaken you are mistaken in a galactic level. Runt means the smallest of the litter. Smaller than average. Stop participating if you dont know the words please.

yep it means a small pig lol

But what ever it means I can be fully happy the French believe the English are pigs.

As that means when we go to there restaurants we get served extra large portions.

So the moral of the story I'm happy to be a pig oink oink.

So anyway heres why being a Catholic matters to a Catholic

I wonder will it matter to you

 

[Jordon]

yep it means a small pig lol

But what ever it means I can be fully happy the French believe the English are pigs.

As that means when we go to there restaurants we get served extra large portions.

So the moral of the story I'm happy to be a pig oink oink.

So anyway heres why being a Catholic matters to a Catholic

I wonder will it matter to you

So all objections I guess no different to most of us, but I do question his assesment of faith alone. 4 mins to 5 mins in

Which was the rational poet only asks to get his head into the heavens, but the faith alone logician seeks to gets the heavens put into his head and then his head splits.

As in Attempts to force the entire, complex, and mysterious universe into their own limited rational mind.

But the Protestant also uses the Bible to authorize his faith, all tho he did have a little bit of compassion for us aweeee

I'm sure God would not do that with the gift of faith tho, I mean split our heads,

Then theres the wonderful pleas for personal money into his trust. At the end hmmmm

Geez I ask how can I donate if my head is split

Maybe he meant wow my advice is so great you can follow me, or maybe he never lol, who knows, maybe he was being a clever clogs,

it could be that Catholicism means universalism but there was many other derogative statements. Oh well each to there own I guess, I have to accept I'm a fruit of Catholicism, and Catholic is a universal word, that makes faith alone redundant

 

[Nedsk]

yep it means a small pig lol

But what ever it means I can be fully happy the French believe the English are pigs.

As that means when we go to there restaurants we get served extra large portions.

So the moral of the story I'm happy to be a pig oink oink.

So anyway heres why being a Catholic matters to a Catholic

I wonder will it matter to you

It's any small animal. You apply meaning to my words that don't exist justt like you do to scripture

 

[Jordon]

It's any small animal. You apply meaning to my words that don't exist justt like you do to scripture

doesn't conscience have an inner sense of urgent responsibility ?

And if so, could moral law be a reality for that in the bases, of God wrote those moral laws in your conscience ?

And if so could that be principle as to why you urgently change your responsibility, when your conscience is convicted by inner moral law.

Does your conscience only accuse you by your own mistake, or does it also accuse you by mistakes you see.

And where it does should it be, you should rejoice you fell guilty by your own merit, or should you rejoice knowing God wrote his moral law on your coincidence.

And can you rejoice when your guilty and if no why not

Could it be the conscience is not the final authority for human conduct,

 

[Nedsk]

doesn't conscience have an inner sense of urgent responsibility ?

And if so, could moral law be a reality for that in the bases, of God wrote those moral laws in your conscience ?

And if so could that be principle as to why you urgently change your responsibility, when your conscience is convicted by inner moral law.

Does your conscience only accuse you by your own mistake, or does it also accuse you by mistakes you see.

And where it does should it be, you should rejoice you fell guilty by your own merit, or should you rejoice knowing God wrote his moral law on your coincidence.

And can you rejoice when your guilty and if no why not

Could it be the conscience is not the final authority for human conduct,

Now you're just babbling

 

[Jordon]

Now you're just babbling

that was a genuine question you never gave a moment thought. and the question was based on a lot of ground work I've been taking time to research.

My conscience has just convicted me to say who's law are you listening to your own moral law or Gods law by your answer ?

You never address the questions being ask.

Whatever your next response determines if we carry on discussing.

 

[Nedsk]

that was a genuine question you never gave a moment thought. and the question was based on a lot of ground work I've been taking time to research.

My conscience has just convicted me to say who's law are you listening to your own moral law or Gods law by your answer ?

You never address the questions being ask.

Whatever your next response determines if we carry on discussing.

I don't have a moral law only God can make moral law. What you can't grasp is you don't get to unilaterally decide what will be discussed. You people always struggle with that. Your sin of presumption makes you very difficult to talk to.

 

[Jordon]

I don't have a moral law only God can make moral law. What you can't grasp is you don't get to unilaterally decide what will be discussed. You people always struggle with that. Your sin of presumption makes you very difficult to talk to.

no not at all, if you could understand Roman catholic doctrine is at error, which is faith alone is more than idea that is justified by this grace alone, meaning God graced all people with his moral law, which never leaves a person. Which is grace alone
You can understand this scripture

Gods moral laws was wrote in all people heart and is still and is the reason why there conscience has a sense of urgent responsibility

Romans 2:15

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15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Here's the question again


What is convicting a persons conscience here ?

doesn't conscience have an inner sense of urgent responsibility ?

And if so, could moral law be a reality for that in the bases, of God wrote those moral laws in your conscience ?

And if so could that be principle as to why you urgently change your responsibility, when your conscience is convicted by inner moral law.

Does your conscience only accuse you by your own mistake, or does it also accuse you by mistakes you see.

And where it does should it be, you should rejoice you fell guilty by your own merit, or should you rejoice knowing God wrote his moral law on your coincidence.

And can you rejoice when your guilty and if no why not

Could it be the conscience is not the final authority for human conduct,

 

[Nedsk]

no not at all, if you could understand Roman catholic doctrine is at error, which is faith alone is more than idea that is justified by this grace alone, meaning God graced all people with his moral law, which never leaves a person. Which is grace alone
You can understand this scripture

Gods moral laws was wrote in all people heart and is still and is the reason why there conscience has a sense of urgent responsibility

Romans 2:15

New International Version



15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Here's the question again


What is convicting a persons conscience here ?

doesn't conscience have an inner sense of urgent responsibility ?

And if so, could moral law be a reality for that in the bases, of God wrote those moral laws in your conscience ?

And if so could that be principle as to why you urgently change your responsibility, when your conscience is convicted by inner moral law.

Does your conscience only accuse you by your own mistake, or does it also accuse you by mistakes you see.

And where it does should it be, you should rejoice you fell guilty by your own merit, or should you rejoice knowing God wrote his moral law on your coincidence.

And can you rejoice when your guilty and if no why not

Could it be the conscience is not the final authority for human conduct,

The Bible NEVER says we are saved by faith alone and in fact it says exactly the opposite but you either ignore it or don't understand it. Either way I'm tired of the obtuse arguments

 

[Jordon]

The Bible NEVER says we are saved by faith alone and in fact it says exactly the opposite but you either ignore it or don't understand it. Either way I'm tired of the obtuse arguments

have you not just noticed what I have told you already in a previous thread in my last post.

Number one
Sola gratia = grace alone = Gods moral law being wrote on your conscience and my conscience and all conscience. Saved or unsaved
Number 2
Sola Fide = faith alone is a result Of God's preservation in your perseverance, of how you respond to the urgent responsibility when your conscience is convicted by his moral law, which it will be in everyone.

Faith alone flows out of grace alone.

Then it becomes Christ alone when your reborn

 

[Nedsk]

have you not just noticed what I have told you already in a previous thread in my last post.

Number one
Sola gratia = grace alone = Gods moral law being wrote on your conscience and my conscience and all conscience. Saved or unsaved
Number 2
Sola Fide = faith alone is a result Of God's preservation in your perseverance, of how you respond to the urgent responsibility when your conscience is convicted by his moral law, which it will be in everyone.

Faith alone flows out of grace alone.

Then it becomes Christ alone when your reborn

But we arent saved my faith alone that's what scripture says. I don't care what you or your video "pastor" say b cause I've told you a thousand times you haven't proven your understanding of Scripture is authoritative.

 

[Jordon]

But we arent saved my faith alone that's what scripture says. I don't care what you or your video "pastor" say b cause I've told you a thousand times you haven't proven your understanding of Scripture is authoritative.

I just told you grace alone comes first then faith alone then Christ alone.

I'n the journey from the start of the process, it starts with grace alone, which is God's moral law awakening your conscience. Where by you grow in Gods mercy, by the moral he graced in your heart, which never leaves a person, his moral law is an act of grace for all humanity.

As you grow, you grow in belief by your correct ways, of how you respond to urgent responsibility in your conscience, by his inner moral law, which become a belief building,

Like this you receives a preservation in your perseverance like a strong knowing from God like a zeal your doing right, you grow in his faith alone,

Then your born with Christ alone and your gifted with a measure of faith where you grow further.

The rcc doctrine is in error

 

[Nedsk]

I just told you grace alone comes first then faith alone then Christ alone.

I'n the journey from the start of the process, it starts with grace alone, which is God's moral law awakening your conscience. Where by you grow in Gods mercy, by the moral he graced in your heart, which never leaves a person, his moral law is an act of grace for all humanity.

As you grow, you grow in belief by your correct ways, of how you respond to urgent responsibility in your conscience, by his inner moral law, which become a belief building,

Like this you receives a preservation in your perseverance like a strong knowing from God like a zeal your doing right, you grow in his faith alone,

Then your born with Christ alone and your gifted with a measure of faith where you grow further.

The rcc doctrine is in error

And again you seem incapable of comprehending that unless you can show that your opinions about Scripture are authoritative, then when you say, "The rcc doctrine is in error" it's the equivalent of a plumber telling me my heart is ok. Do you understand? You can't argue from authority when you don't have any authority. I'm certain you still don't get it.

 

[Jordon]

And again you seem incapable of comprehending that unless you can show that your opinions about Scripture are authoritative, then when you say, "The rcc doctrine is in error" it's the equivalent of a plumber telling me my heart is ok. Do you understand? You can't argue from authority when you don't have any authority. I'm certain you still don't get it.

again you claiming I'm being authoritative is your agenda not mine.

Roman Catholics suffer that symptom because there conscience is the final authority for human conduct


Nope conscience is first convicted by God

 

[Nedsk]

again you claiming I'm being authoritative is your agenda not mine.

Roman Catholics suffer that symptom because there conscience is the final authority for human conduct


Nope there is conscience is first convicted by God

You really struggle dont you? You are claiming the rcc doctrine is in error. That's your opinion not a fact. If you actually had proof you were speaking authoritatively then it wouldn't be just your opinion. If Jesus said to me, turned doctrine is in error him I would have to believe. You in the other hand have no such authority so it would be more accurate for you to write, "I think the rcc doctrine is I error" but you didn't do that because in fact you do think your understanding of Scripture is authoritative .

 

[Jordon]

You really struggle dont you? You are claiming the rcc doctrine is in error. That's your opinion not a fact. If you actually had proof you were speaking authoritatively then it wouldn't be just your opinion. If Jesus said to me, turned doctrine is in error him I would have to believe. You in the other hand have no such authority so it would be more accurate for you to write, "I think the rcc doctrine is I error" but you didn't do that because in fact you do think your understanding of Scripture is authoritative .

well I guess I'm a pig then

 

[Undergrace1]

have you not just noticed what I have told you already in a previous thread in my last post.

Number one
Sola gratia = grace alone = Gods moral law being wrote on your conscience and my conscience and all conscience. Saved or unsaved
Number 2
Sola Fide = faith alone is a result Of God's preservation in your perseverance, of how you respond to the urgent responsibility when your conscience is convicted by his moral law, which it will be in everyone.

Faith alone flows out of grace alone.

Then it becomes Christ alone when your reborn

Council of Trent states salvation is by faith baptism and obeying the TC
Paul says the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. Christians die to that law/they are released from it unto righteousness. It is impossible to bring Paul's words into line with the council of Trent statement I gave you.
The words Ten Commandments are old covenant, not new, for as you say, the moral law is within us now.
It is impossible to believe you have righteousness apart from obeying the law, as Paul preaches, if you believe your salvation hinges on the law he termed, the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[Nedsk]

well I guess I'm a pig then

No you may be runt but you aren't a pig. They can't type

Now that we've cleared up one of your many errors we need to work on the error you and many others labor under namely the augment from authority fallacy