Do All Religions Lead To God?

[memberofthebride]

" Explain why an immortal spirit, that CAN INHABIT A HUMAN BODY, has no need of air, water or food to live and were not, according to Christ, created to reproduce or with " equipment "to do so, would find human women desirable and take them as wives"? They, controlled by Satan, used the "equipment " of the humans that they inhabited to try to stop the "seed of the woman " (Gen. 3:15) from manifesting on the earth. There would be a mixture human and angelic seed, through which the seed of the woman ( Jesus ) could not come. It had to be pure Adamic seed. Hence Noah, who still carried the unmixed Adamic seed. That's why the earth was full of wickedness, " And God saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5. WHY, " There were giants( results of the mixture of seeds) in the Earth in those days, when the sons of God(fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" Genesis 6:4. These men of renown, could they be Hercules, Apollo, etc., etc., of Greek "mythology"? I think so.

Another problem this would cause just came to me

What is God going to do with a half human - half angel. because of the human half will it be offered eternal life or does it already have eternal life from the angelic side?

and how would "THIS kind" fit in to God's kingdom?

lots of questions and problems

GOD is order --- what you are espousing is not order.

 

[memberofthebride]

" Explain why an immortal spirit, that CAN INHABIT A HUMAN BODY, has no need of air, water or food to live and were not, according to Christ, created to reproduce or with " equipment "to do so, would find human women desirable and take them as wives"? They, controlled by Satan, used the "equipment " of the humans that they inhabited to try to stop the "seed of the woman " (Gen. 3:15) from manifesting on the earth. There would be a mixture human and angelic seed, through which the seed of the woman ( Jesus ) could not come. It had to be pure Adamic seed. Hence Noah, who still carried the unmixed Adamic seed. That's why the earth was full of wickedness, " And God saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5. WHY, " There were giants( results of the mixture of seeds) in the Earth in those days, when the sons of God(fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" Genesis 6:4. These men of renown, could they be Hercules, Apollo, etc., etc., of Greek "mythology"? I think so.

by the blood

thank you for answering as you did --- it has forced me to think about this subject which I have not done in decades.

the Can of worms this causes is huge and in 55 years of study I found zero in the Word addressing it.
I am absolutely certain now, spirit can not co-mingle with flesh.

thank you

 

[bytheblood]

by the blood

thank you for answering as you did --- it has forced me to think about this subject which I have not done in decades.

the Can of worms this causes is huge and in 55 years of study I found zero in the Word addressing it.
I am absolutely certain now, spirit can not co-mingle with flesh.

thank you

Iron sharpens iron, you're welcome.

 

[bytheblood]

Another problem this would cause just came to me

What is God going to do with a half human - half angel. because of the human half will it be offered eternal life or does it already have eternal life from the angelic side?

and how would "THIS kind" fit in to God's kingdom?

lots of questions and problems

GOD is order --- what you are espousing is not order.

Answer, what happened to those hybrids on earth who were full of violence? God destroyed them in the flood. This kind does NOT fit into God's redemptive plan. Remember the Seed HAD to be protected or you and I would be hopeless. The bible says in 2 Peter 2:4-5 " For if God spared not the (fallen) angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness reserved unto judgement; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, A PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.." We see here that Noah, who it is speculated took 100-120 years to build the ark, was preaching for all or at least most of the time it took to build that ark. So those in that world cannot accuse God of being unrighteous, they had chances for redemption, but refused. Just as those who refuse Christ, our Ark Of Safety.

 

[Dino246]

Paul stated God never called angels "sons of God", they are created only to assist in our salvation.

No, he didn't, likely because they are different kinds of beings.

Explain why an immortal spirit, that can inhabit a human body, has no need for air, water or food to live and were not, according to Christ, created to reproduce or with "equipment" to do so, would find human women desirable and take them as wives? Think about the problems we as humans have with marriage.

You're importing a lot of speculation instead of following the text to its logical ends. This is a large topic that cannot be summarized adequately in a single post, but in short...

The "small-g gods" are real created entities. There was a rebellion in heaven and (many of) these beings either left or were cast out. They mated ("married" is probably a euphemism) with human women and the result was some quasi-human beings of unusually large size. These are noted in Scripture in many places, the best known being Goliath.

I encourage you to obtain and read "The Unseen Realm" by Dr. Michael Heiser, which discusses these matters at great length.

 

[memberofthebride]

Answer, what happened to those hybrids on earth who were full of violence? God destroyed them in the flood. This kind does NOT fit into God's redemptive plan. Remember the Seed HAD to be protected or you and I would be hopeless. The bible says in 2 Peter 2:4-5 " For if God spared not the (fallen) angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness reserved unto judgement; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, A PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.." We see here that Noah, who it is speculated took 100-120 years to build the ark, was preaching for all or at least most of the time it took to build that ark. So those in that world cannot accuse God of being unrighteous, they had chances for redemption, but refused. Just as those who refuse Christ, our Ark Of Safety.

Where is it shown there were "hybrids" on earth? half angels half humans?

I stand by what I wrote, God would never allow that.

 

[Dino246]

Where is it shown there were "hybrids" on earth? half angels half humans?

Genesis 6: 1-4.

I stand by what I wrote, God would never allow that.

Consider all the corruption, rebellion, idolatry and terror that God has "allowed" and whether this is somehow outside those bounds.

 

[memberofthebride]

No, he didn't, likely because they are different kinds of beings.


You're importing a lot of speculation instead of following the text to its logical ends. This is a large topic that cannot be summarized adequately in a single post, but in short...

The "small-g gods" are real created entities. There was a rebellion in heaven and (many of) these beings either left or were cast out. They mated ("married" is probably a euphemism) with human women and the result was some quasi-human beings of unusually large size. These are noted in Scripture in many places, the best known being Goliath.

I encourage you to obtain and read "The Unseen Realm" by Dr. Michael Heiser, which discusses these matters at great length.

so The angels made by Jesus Christ are not subject to HIM?
I read in the Word of God, when on earth in human form, Christ commanded demons/angels and they obeyed. so you are saying that is not so? angels can do what ever they want?

By the way that so called "quasi-human died, angels are immortal.

 

[Dino246]

so The angels made by Jesus Christ are not subject to HIM?

I read in the Word of God, when on earth in human form, Christ commanded demons/angels and they obeyed. so you are saying that is not so? angels can do what ever they want?

By the way that so called "quasi-human died, angels are immortal.

Huh? What does any of this have to do with my post?

 

[memberofthebride]

Huh? What does any of this have to do with my post?

I just posted on a few sites so it may have been put on the wrong site, sorry

 

[Journey_man]

I'm not sure which "death" you're questioning, 'cause there're two deaths, mortal death and spiritual death. The term "second death" is specifically used in Rev. 20. This second death is reserved for these evil spirits, whatever or whoever you believe they are, they do exist, they're not imaginary idols, and they're called "gods" or "sons of the most high" in the bible.

There are actually three forms of death described in the bible.

1. The first death is "Spiritual Death", (Separation form God), This is the state of natural alienation from God, hostility toward Him, and corruption of nature resulting from the fall (Eph. 2:1, 5; Rom. 6:23).
It is the immediate penalty of sin ("In the day that you eat... you shall surely die") and is currently experienced by all unregenerate humanity.

2. Physical Death (Separation of soul and Body) This is the termination of bodily functions and the separation of the immaterial soul from the material body (Jas. 2:26; Gen. 3:19). While believers in Christ still experience this, for them, it is no longer a penal curse but a transition into the presence of God, says the Reformed view.

3. Eternal Death (Permanent Separation) This is the final, ultimate, and everlasting separation from God in hell, known as the "second death" (Rev. 20:14–15). It is described as the culmination of spiritual death, where all restraint of sin is removed, and the sinner experiences the full weight of God's wrath.

The second death is not reserved for Demons/Evil Spirits/gods etc. It actually includes both them and unredeemed sinners.
According to Matthew 25:41, the Lake of Fire was originally prepared for the devil and his angels (demons). But the lake of fire must have been prepared for them, before Adam sinned. So both the sinned and both end up in the same place.

At the final judgment (the "Great White Throne"), any human whose name is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the Lake of Fire.
This punishment is conscious, not annihilation. It is a state of eternal, conscious torment, or "living death".
According to Revelation 20:10-15, both groups end up in the same place—the Lake of Fire—where they suffer for eternity, separated from the new heaven and new earth.

God only created Angels and Man, with a soul. Both are 100% dependant on God for everything, there are no autonomous gods running around in the spiritual realm.
God is absolutely sovereign over every aspect of His creation, Satan needs to ask for God permission to do anything and so do all of those who exist in the spiritual realm.

 

[Journey_man]

They do exist, imaginary idols cannot be judged, nor could they die like men. It requires a supernatural view to acknowledge them as entities and enemy of humanity. Paul warned us that we wrestle with not flesh and blood, but powers, principalities and rulers of darkness. Likewise, Jesus practiced exorcism, the demons he cast out were evil spirits of these entities, he was not treating some kind of mental illness.

There is a sense in which "false gods" or "idols" do exist, but they are not necessarily actual spiritual or physical entities.

The Bible indicates that behind false gods are actual demonic powers, which explains why idolatry often has a "binding" power and leads to destructive consequences.

Both the idolater and idol or false god, will be cast into the lake of fire. So the Demon who deceived the idolater into believing it was some kind of god, will suffer the same punishment.

Those who openly worship Satan and those who are deceived by Demons to worship an idol, suffer the same punishment.

 

[Lovette]

There is a sense in which "false gods" or "idols" do exist, but they are not necessarily actual spiritual or physical entities.

The Bible indicates that behind false gods are actual demonic powers, which explains why idolatry often has a "binding" power and leads to destructive consequences.

Both the idolater and idol or false god, will be cast into the lake of fire. So the Demon who deceived the idolater into believing it was some kind of god, will suffer the same punishment.

Those who openly worship Satan and those who are deceived by Demons to worship an idol, suffer the same punishment.

They are necessarily actual spiritual entities, an idol is a physical dwelling place for such a spiritual entity. The word "demon", "shedim" in the OT, means evil spirit. An idol itself has no power of its own, the evil spirit within does.

 

[Lovette]

There are actually three forms of death described in the bible.

1. The first death is "Spiritual Death", (Separation form God), This is the state of natural alienation from God, hostility toward Him, and corruption of nature resulting from the fall (Eph. 2:1, 5; Rom. 6:23).
It is the immediate penalty of sin ("In the day that you eat... you shall surely die") and is currently experienced by all unregenerate humanity.

2. Physical Death (Separation of soul and Body) This is the termination of bodily functions and the separation of the immaterial soul from the material body (Jas. 2:26; Gen. 3:19). While believers in Christ still experience this, for them, it is no longer a penal curse but a transition into the presence of God, says the Reformed view.

3. Eternal Death (Permanent Separation) This is the final, ultimate, and everlasting separation from God in hell, known as the "second death" (Rev. 20:14–15). It is described as the culmination of spiritual death, where all restraint of sin is removed, and the sinner experiences the full weight of God's wrath.

The second death is not reserved for Demons/Evil Spirits/gods etc. It actually includes both them and unredeemed sinners.
According to Matthew 25:41, the Lake of Fire was originally prepared for the devil and his angels (demons). But the lake of fire must have been prepared for them, before Adam sinned. So both the sinned and both end up in the same place.

At the final judgment (the "Great White Throne"), any human whose name is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the Lake of Fire.
This punishment is conscious, not annihilation. It is a state of eternal, conscious torment, or "living death".
According to Revelation 20:10-15, both groups end up in the same place—the Lake of Fire—where they suffer for eternity, separated from the new heaven and new earth.

God only created Angels and Man, with a soul. Both are 100% dependant on God for everything, there are no autonomous gods running around in the spiritual realm.
God is absolutely sovereign over every aspect of His creation, Satan needs to ask for God permission to do anything and so do all of those who exist in the spiritual realm.

There couldn't be a "spiritual death" when there's no "spiritual birth" to begin with, by default, all are bound to destruction. Spiritual birth, or born again, is made possible through Christ, this birth gives believers a second, eternal life beyond the moral, natural life. Unbelievers on the other hand will suffer both mortal death and eternal death.

All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. (Eph. 2:3-5)

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (Jn. 3:18)

 

[Lovette]

I do not find that to be true.

Paul stated God never called angels "sons of God", they are created only to assist in our salvation.

Explain why an immortal spirit, that can inhabit a human body, has no need for air, water or food to live and were not, according to Christ, created to reproduce or with "equipment" to do so, would find human women desirable and take them as wives? Think about the problems we as humans have with marriage.

Stop and think about all that means --- food, housing, protection, caring for children -- why would a spirit that needs none of that -- take on those problems -- for sex????

Do you understand why humans desire and enjoy sex? simple because we are created with a hormone system that brings pleasure chemically.

spirit has no chemicals, no hormonal system

It is true because the bible says so.

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Rev. 12:9, NIV)
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Rev. 12:9, NKJV)

One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” (Job 1:6-7, NIV)
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” (Job 1:6-7, NKJV)

Children of God in the NT refer to believers adopted as co-heirs with Christ through the Holy Spirit, that does NOT exist in the OT, therefore it is utterly erroneous to apply this definition to any mentions of "sons of God" in the OT. "Sons of God" are evil spirits, they're with Satan according to Job 1:6, and they're subject for judgement according to Ps. 82:6.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” (Rom. 8:14)

Lastly, spirits may not be able to desire and enjoy sex, but men do. Angels do not appear as voices in your head, but men in flesh and blood.

Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them ...(Gen. 18:1-2)
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. (Gen. 19:1)
And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.” (Gen. 19:5)

Dismissing angels as spiritual beings with no physiological needs, and can't have sex is a misinterpretation of Matt. 22:30, which only applies to the resurrection and heaven; however, on earth, mating is not only possible but it's the norm. Jesus specifically dropped a reference of Noah's days, and if you let the scripture interpret itself, the only mention of Noah's days is Gen. 6, where sons of God mated with daughters of men.

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. (Matt. 22:30)
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark. (Matt. 24:38)

 

[memberofthebride]

It is true because the bible says so.

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Rev. 12:9, NIV)
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Rev. 12:9, NKJV)

One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” (Job 1:6-7, NIV)
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” (Job 1:6-7, NKJV)

Children of God in the NT refer to believers adopted as co-heirs with Christ through the Holy Spirit, that does NOT exist in the OT, therefore it is utterly erroneous to apply this definition to any mentions of "sons of God" in the OT. "Sons of God" are evil spirits, they're with Satan according to Job 1:6, and they're subject for judgement according to Ps. 82:6.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” (Rom. 8:14)

Lastly, spirits may not be able to desire and enjoy sex, but men do. Angels do not appear as voices in your head, but men in flesh and blood.

Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them ...(Gen. 18:1-2)
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. (Gen. 19:1)
And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.” (Gen. 19:5)

Dismissing angels as spiritual beings with no physiological needs, and can't have sex is a misinterpretation of Matt. 22:30, which only applies to the resurrection and heaven; however, on earth, mating is not only possible but it's the norm. Jesus specifically dropped a reference of Noah's days, and if you let the scripture interpret itself, the only mention of Noah's days is Gen. 6, where sons of God mated with daughters of men.

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. (Matt. 22:30)
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark. (Matt. 24:38)

Comment:

It does not say angels --- and Paul states angels are not sons

""One day the ""angels"" came to present themselves before the Lord,""

you - as the 40,000 flavors of confusion do -- read into the Word what you want to believe.

There is no way to change your mind --now, that will come at the 2nd resurrection.

The Word states Satan has deceived the entire world, since the 40,000 flavors make up 25% of the worlds population -- and Christ states HIS Flock is the few, is the little flock -- how can 25% not be in the "deceived"? and you must acknowledge there is little agreement in the 40,000 or even here on this blog!

 

[Lovette]

Comment:

It does not say angels --- and Paul states angels are not sons

""One day the ""angels"" came to present themselves before the Lord,""

you - as the 40,000 flavors of confusion do -- read into the Word what you want to believe.

There is no way to change your mind --now, that will come at the 2nd resurrection.

The Word states Satan has deceived the entire world, since the 40,000 flavors make up 25% of the worlds population -- and Christ states HIS Flock is the few, is the little flock -- how can 25% not be in the "deceived"? and you must acknowledge there is little agreement in the 40,000 or even here on this blog!

I don't know what "40,000 flavors" you're talking about, all I know is what the bible plainly states. In the context of Job 1, it is a matter of translation, and whether it's "angels' or "sons of God", they're challenging God, and Satan is among them.

 

[memberofthebride]

I don't know what "40,000 flavors" you're talking about, all I know is what the bible plainly states. In the context of Job 1, it is a matter of translation, and whether it's "angels' or "sons of God", they're challenging God, and Satan is among them.

Comment

Sorry I see no "challenge", they came to be present before God
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

here is the GWT 6 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the LORD, Satan the Accuser came along with them.

This could possibly be pointing to the line of Seth as the line of Cain are the ungodly

there is not one way it is possible to claim the term "sons of God" points to angels from this scripture.

 

[Lovette]

Comment

Sorry I see no "challenge", they came to be present before God
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

here is the GWT 6 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the LORD, Satan the Accuser came along with them.

This could possibly be pointing to the line of Seth as the line of Cain are the ungodly

there is not one way it is possible to claim the term "sons of God" points to angels from this scripture.

You don't see challenge, read the rest of the chapter. Satan questioned Job's faithfulness and challenged God to remove Job's prosperity.

The narrative of "godly line of Seth" and "ungodly line of Cain" is purely racist speculation with zero basis in Scripture. In the days of Noah, all except Noah's family were wicked to the core, regardless of lineage. If you wanna argue with Gen. 4:26, in which men began to "call upon the name of God", then keep in mind also Matt. 7:21 -"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Just because someone calls upon the name of the Lord doesn't qualify them as such.

You failed to see this problem because likewise, you didn't read the rest of Gen. 6.

 

[memberofthebride]

You don't see challenge, read the rest of the chapter. Satan questioned Job's faithfulness and challenged God to remove Job's prosperity.

The narrative of "godly line of Seth" and "ungodly line of Cain" is purely racist speculation with zero basis in Scripture. In the days of Noah, all except Noah's family were wicked to the core, regardless of lineage. If you wanna argue with Gen. 4:26, in which men began to "call upon the name of God", then keep in mind also Matt. 7:21 -"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Just because someone calls upon the name of the Lord doesn't qualify them as such.

You failed to see this problem because likewise, you didn't read the rest of Gen. 6.

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Satan challenged God, NOT the sons of God, why read in what is not there?

and Yes, tribes, families are very important to God,, It is only from the SEED of Abraham come the 12 tribes, THE chosen people, the chosen race of Hebrews!

Race/tribe are very important to God. Christ is from Judah and not only from the tribe of Judah but from one Jewish Man, David.

God is logical and never deviates from His chosen course of action, God is not haphazard.
The entire WORD of God was written only by Hebrews. Race is very important.

I realize to the "left" today, race is an ugly word, but not to God who created the races and each for a different purpose,