The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

I will show you why there is in essence the disagreement here.
A while ago, I chatted to someone on this website, who I have been debating concerning the TC. Regarding the TC, they stated, and I quote:
‘What’s so hard about obeying ten simple commands’
You cannot make such a statement unless you only have a shallow understanding of what obeying that law demands. You cannot have the conviction you should have concerning transgressing them.
They are not alone, I went to a church on a Saturday for a while to please a friend. I witnessed people transgressing the TC without consciousness of sin in a way that truly shocked and stunned me. They all insisted ‘You must obey the TC’
And it is always the same, those who keep repeating you must obey the TC do not have the conviction they should have concerning what is entailed in obeying those commands. That is why, people read the letter of scripture and state we must and can keep those commands.
Paul was not in ignorance as to what was required to obey those commands, hence he termed them the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation.
And Paul gave the example of a commandment as to why he had to die to the law as he put it. The example he gave was one of the TC, he could not obey it, for he could not obey law relating to the inner man, law no one but he and God need know you break. Nothing to do with what goes on, on the outside, just the inside, thoughts!
So basically, that is why people keep insisting you must obey the TC and I do not. They judge a person’s Christianity by law you will always stand guilty before!
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version, the watered down version does not exist!

Jesus is my example and standard. Not people around me.

I don't claim to be perfect like Jesus but I do claim the promise given that Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Jesus was able to overcome and was able to keep the law perfectly.
That righteousness is Promised to us.

Both imputed and imparted.

We are free from the guilt of sin by the justification.. forgiveness from sin
The times we transgressed the law will be forgiven when we repent because Jesus paid the price.

We are also free from the bondage of sin by sanctification.. overcoming sin, obeying the law so we are no longer guilty of transgressing the law. No longer slaves to sin.

Both are by faith.

If overcoming sin is not possible No one from the seven church in Rev 2 and 3 would be saved.

If keeping the commandments is not possible why does the bible say...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Jesus was able to obey. We can obey too. ROM 8...

 

[NightTwister]

Guess the wisest man did so as well under your definition.


Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

The blessings God will bring is worth following what God asks, spending eternity with our Savior and have the world go back where there will be no more sin.

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[NightTwister]

Jesus was able to obey. We can obey too. ROM 8...

In over 6 decades as a Christian, I have learned two incontrovertible facts.
1. There is a God.
2. I am not Him.

 

[Undergrace1]

You said "Believers either follow after the Spirit or the law, it cannot be both!"
I was saying that the Same Spirit gave the 10 commandments. You can't follow the Spirit without following the law of God.

So why do you transgress the TC?

 

[TMS]

Can I ask you something?
Many people say you must obey the TC, following after the Spirit results in keeping them But why do people making those statements not add to that, they themselves transgress the TC? I would think they should, if they desire to obey the second greatest commandment

Because it isn't about them..
All have sinned
Our righteousness is as filthy rages.

The 10 commandments are being discussed and many throw out the law because they believe it is impossible to obey.

The real battle is the Spirit verses the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
In Roms 8 we see that the flesh can't keep the law but the Spirit can.
Personally I don't want to glorify the flesh and tell people about how often I fail.
I'd rather say we can overcome in Christ by the Spirit. Encouraging belief in victory not failure.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

To walk after the Spirit there is no condemnation.

We can't have both the Spirit and the flesh at the same time..

 

[Undergrace1]

Because it isn't about them..
All have sinned
Our righteousness is as filthy rages.

The 10 commandments are being discussed and many throw out the law because they believe it is impossible to obey.

The real battle is the Spirit verses the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
In Roms 8 we see that the flesh can't keep the law but the Spirit can.
Personally I don't want to glorify the flesh and tell people about how often I fail.
I'd rather say we can overcome in Christ by the Spirit. Encouraging belief in victory not failure.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

To walk after the Spirit there is no condemnation.

We can't have both the Spirit and the flesh at the same time..

Well as Paul told born again christians in the present tense the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation I imagine Paul thought they were impossible to fully obey

 

[Undergrace1]

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ...[/QUOTE]
If the above refers to the TC you would not find it grievous to obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break?

 

[TMS]

In over 6 decades as a Christian, I have learned two incontrovertible facts.
1. There is a God.
2. I am not Him.

Jesus became a man and was tempted in all points as we are.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He did not have any power that we can not access by faith..

 

[TMS]

Well as Paul told born again christians in the present tense the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation I imagine Paul thought they were impossible to fully obey

Rom 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[TMS]

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ..
If the above refers to the TC you would not find it grievous to obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break?

We need to keep the 10 commandments because we love the Lord not because we fear or are forced to and they are a grievous.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 119:92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.

1Jn 5:3 KJV For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Many keep the law for the wrong reasons so John is helping us understand it should not be grievous.

 

[TMS]

Good night źzzzzz.

 

[Undergrace1]

Rom 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Hmm, Im afraid some take random verses too literalistically. How are you getting along obeying the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break?
That's in the TC too
I imagine if you failed to observe a saturday sabbath you would be distraught
Would you be distraught at every impure thout you've dwelt on?
Would you be distraught every time you desired something that was not yours to desire?
Or do you dismiss things like that as trivial?
Break one commandment you break them all-right?

 

[Undergrace1]

We need to keep the 10 commandments because we love the Lord not because we fear or are forced to and they are a grievous.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 119:92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.

1Jn 5:3 KJV For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Many keep the law for the wrong reasons so John is helping us understand it should not be grievous.

You keep saying we need to keep the TC but you yourself much transgress them, as does everyone else. Is this not insisting of others what you do not insist of yourself?
Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who acted t hat way

 

[Undergrace1]

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ...

I mean, Paul tells us we must die to the law, we are released from it and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code. The example given is one of the TC
Does it seem right to you, continually telling people they must look to a law and obey it that Paul says we die to?
You might say the believer is not justified by obeying the TC but they can only be in a justified state if they do obey them. It is still righteousness of obeying the law Paul tells us we must die to
And what about Jesus commands in the gospels, in your view, is it sin not to obey them? You need to be careful how you answer. Only I rarely hear people with your views mention Jesus commands in the gospels, only the law the bible terms the letter kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[memberofthebride]

Either you didn’t read that very carefully before snapping off a reaction post, or you lack the intellectual capacity to participate in this discussion. I would like to believe the former.

Nobody “is” the ten commandments. The ten commandments are ideas, not a spiritual or physical personality.

I was responding to this statement. not really sure what that means?

"God is not the 10 commandments"

 

[Dino246]

I was responding to this statement. not really sure what that means?

"God is not the 10 commandments"

Fair enough; my apologies.

 

[TMS]

So why do you transgress the TC?

Because I do what Jesus didn't do.
I allow my flesh to control me.
When the flesh is in control I can not follow the law like Jesus did. We need to walk in the Spirit.
We can walk in the Spirit by faith.

Rom 7:23-25
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

[TMS]

Hmm, Im afraid some take random verses too literalistically. How are you getting along obeying the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break?
That's in the TC too
I imagine if you failed to observe a saturday sabbath you would be distraught
Would you be distraught at every impure thout you've dwelt on?
Would you be distraught every time you desired something that was not yours to desire?
Or do you dismiss things like that as trivial?
Break one commandment you break them all-right?

No I don't dismiss things as trivial..
The holy Spirit convicts our heart.
But some sear theirs with a hot iron. 1Tim 4:2

We need to train our thinking and hear the holy Spirit.. repent and turn from your evil ways..
But it isn't about my personal walk, you need to look at your own Spiritual walk.

Eze 18:30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

 

[TMS]

You keep saying we need to keep the TC but you yourself much transgress them, as does everyone else. Is this not insisting of others what you do not insist of yourself?
Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who acted t hat way

I aim to be like Jesus.
Jesus obeyed the law perfectly.

I am promoting what Jesus said..

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:...

If you think it is not possible to overcome sin you will never overcome sin. You will remain a slave to sin.
But if you think and believe it is possible for you to overcome sin. You will be able to overcome more and more. Sanctification by faith.

God is able to give us the victory. But we need to have faith.

 

[Undergrace1]

But it isn't about my personal walk, you need to look at your own Spiritual walk.

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I do, I understand why Paul stated the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. If we do not understand that we do not have the conviction we should have as to what obeying those laws entail. The Holy Spirit is not convicting us as He should be able to.
The TC are an inflexible law. Thou shalt NOT, no wiggle room for error, perfectly obey them or stand guilty before them. Everyone stands guilty before that law.
I am also conscious of the second greatest commandment, so, I would never insist of others what I do not insist of myself.