The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Dino246]

If not God then who is? Satan?

Either you didn’t read that very carefully before snapping off a reaction post, or you lack the intellectual capacity to participate in this discussion. I would like to believe the former.

Nobody “is” the ten commandments. The ten commandments are ideas, not a spiritual or physical personality.

 

[Aaron56]

So… what did God tell you regarding how to keep the Sabbath?

All of it, please.

Then tell us how whichparts of it you aren’t “keeping. No excuses as to why.

I heard, somewhere, a person in Christ has given up their right to lead their own lives.

But apparently he is a 14%'er; only keeping one of the seven days of the week holy. That's not a slave to Christ. That's a decision out of convenience. He gets to decide what he does on the other 86% of the week days. Even more so, he'll do things on his special day that require the work of others, thereby condemning others to his version of unrighteousness.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I would not want to be the judge of God's commandments as if to tell Him He made a mistake.

Its impossible for anyone to keep 7 days a week holy because God only made one day holy. Man cannot make a day holy, only God can.
God never made every day holy, He made the seventh day holy. Man is incapable of sanctifying a day for holy use or sanctifying themselves. Isa 66:17 We need God Eze20:12

Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exo20:11 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath is the only day God called "My holy day" Isa 58:13

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I would not want to be the judge of God's commandments as if to tell Him He made a mistake.

God never intended for the 10 commandments to be the way to become like him. They were for showing man that he wasn't like God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God never intended for the 10 commandments to be the way to become like him. They were for showing man that he wasn't like God.

Your words, not Scripture.

God calls His law perfect Psa 19:7 just like our perfect Savior. God calls His laws, holy, just and good Rom7:12 is God not holy, just and good? Are we not called to be perfect and holy just as God? To claim we do this by disobeying the written Testimony of God Exo31:18 that He said if you love Me, keep what I say Exo20:6 that seems like a bad idea, but He gives us free will to listen to any voice we choose, even if it leads us down the wrong path. He tries to get our attention on His voice, to not harden our hearts Heb3:7-19 but not everyone hears.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Its impossible for anyone to keep 7 days a week holy because God only made one day holy. Man cannot make a day holy, only God can.
God never made every day holy, He made the seventh day holy.

But we are Christ's own body, therefore we sanctify whatever we touch. This is illustrated here

And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Corinthians 7:13-14​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Man cannot make a day holy, only God can.

btw, the word of God is now a man.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

But we are Christ's own body, therefore we sanctify whatever we touch. This is illustrated here

And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Corinthians 7:13-14​

A misunderstanding of Scriptures. We can have a sanctifying influence but we are not God. Only God can sanctify us or a day, the Bible makes it clear on this.

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God calls His law perfect Psa 19:7 just like our perfect Savior.

The bible calls Noah perfect. Sacrificial animals were to be perfect. David wrote that he was perfect. And on and on. So I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Undergrace1]

May I ask, what happens if you do not obey the Ten Commandments?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The bible calls Noah perfect. Sacrificial animals were to be perfect. David wrote that he was perfect. And on and on. So I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I think it means exactly what it says. I do not believe the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments could write anything less than perfect. But believe as you wish.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A misunderstanding of Scriptures. We can have a sanctifying influence but we are not God. Only God can sanctify us or a day, the Bible makes it clear on this.

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

We don't have to be God to sanctify what we touch. Even animal sacrifices made holy whatever touched them. So much more we, who are being conformed to the one who makes holy, make things holy.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

May I ask, what if you do not obey the Ten Commandments?

This is what Scripture says

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

God doesn't even make us obey His commandments on our own, but we have to love Him and want to cooperate with Him. John14:15-18

Breaking the law of God is sin 1John3:4 James2:11 and the Bible tells us where this leads Heb10:26-30 as did Jesus Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat5:19-20

While we are not saved by keeping any law, the law is kept because it shows a change of heart Rev14:12, from a stony heart Eze 36:26 to having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds Heb8:10 abiding in Him which through Him enables us to keep His commandments John 15:4-10 1John3:24

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A misunderstanding of Scriptures. We can have a sanctifying influence but we are not God. Only God can sanctify us or a day, the Bible makes it clear on this.

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

That's an errant use of this prophecy. It's speaking of idolaters, who thought they were sanctifying themselves to their god, but were in fact defiling themselves by worshiping other gods.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I think it means exactly what it says. I do not believe the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments could write anything less than perfect. But believe as you wish.

That's your problem because it's the same word used in the examples I gave

 

[Undergrace1]

This is what Scripture says

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

God doesn't even make us obey His law on our own, but we have to love Him and want to cooperate with Him. John14:15-18

Breaking the law of God is sin 1John3:4 James2:11 and the Bible tells us where this leads Heb10:26-30

While we are not saved by keeping any law, the law is kept because it shows a change of heart, from a stony heart Eze 36:26 having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds Heb8:10 abiding in Him which through Him enables us to keep His commandments John 15:4-10 1John3:24

I assume from your reply, if one does not obey the Ten Commandments they cannot expect to remain saved and attain to Heaven. So I would just like to look at one of them for now if I may, the tenth one, it covers, coveting, what we desire, our thoughts, what goes on, on the inside of man
You must not dwell on any impure thought.
You must not lust/have sexual desire for anyone but your spouse.
You must not desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.
You must fully obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but you and God need know you break.
I wonder how many obey the tenth commandment and may be in a saved state and attain to Heaven, what are your thoughts?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

That's an errant use of this prophecy. It's speaking of idolaters, who thought they were sanctifying themselves to their god, but were in fact defiling themselves by worshiping other gods.

Sanctification is how we overcome sin. Only God provides sanctification, many reject, even professed Christians. I know we are not able to reason together on Scripture, I do not plan on responding further to your posts because I do not see its been fruitful, but I wish you well.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I assume from your reply, if one does not obey the Ten Commandments they cannot expect to remain saved and attain to Heaven. So I would just like to look at one of them for now if I may, the tenth one, it covers, coveting, what we desire, our thoughts, what goes on, on the inside of man
You must not dwell on any impure thought.
You must not lust/have sexual desire for anyone but your spouse.
You must not desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.
You must fully obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but you and God need know you break.
I wonder how many obey the tenth commandment and may be in a saved state and attain to Heaven, what are your thoughts?

I think its more than "just obey" its the desire to want to obey what God asks. Most people instead of going to God and asking for His help in forsaking sins Pro28:13 they argue with God what sin is, what His law is and are essentially trying to think if they can win an argument here, its going to change the will of God in heaven. God's word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 right where God's Testimony is Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments written by God Himself, under His mercy seat Exo40:20 in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev11:19

Jesus showed how board His commandments really are Psa 119:96. Jesus related thoughts of anger and contempt with the commandment to thou shalt not murder Mat5:21-26 Jesus showed how thoughts of lust in the heart lead to breaking the commandment to thou shalt not commit adultery Mat 5:27-30. There really isn't any sin that is not covered in the Ten Commandments. Its why its the perfect law converting the soul Psa19:7 God makes no mistakes we do and if everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus defined them can you image no more having to lock our doors at night, no more murder, everyone only worshipping God - it would be like heaven Isa 48:13 Rev 14:12 Rev22:14KJV

 

[vassal]

This is incorrect in several ways.

The Sinai and Moab covenants were made with Israel alone. The Sinai covenant was broken; when a contract is broken it's no longer in force; a new contract has to be made. That was the Moab covenant that was tied specifically to the land of Israel. Anyone in the world could have joined that covenant by becoming circumcised and keeping the law written by Moses on scrolls.

The new covenant, which replaced the old covenant, was with Israel alone. Anyone in the world can join that covenant by becoming spiritually circumcised and keeping the law of Christ written by the spirit in our hearts

I disagree, not Israel alone, the bible shows clearly in the O.T that anyone could join Israel and follow the commandments and and at that time, with the law of Moses as well. Acts 15, describes for gentiles the 4 commands that were kept from the law of Moses we have discussed this before.

where in scripture does it stipulate the covenant changed? show me clear verses. Jesus was clear he said to keep the ten commandments, these were still then the Covenant as it is today since he sent his disciples to teach this, Paul kept the commandments as well. the bible says they are not a burden it is people who make them a burden. some like to simplify them and replace them but it is not what the bible and Jesus teaches.

The Law of Christ is the way Jesus taught His followers to live, based on love, obedience, and faithfulness to God. It is the law that comes from Christ Himself and guides the heart, not just outward actions. This law does not replace God’s commandments but fulfills them, showing their true meaning through love.
The origin of the Law of Christ is seen directly in Jesus’ own words and in the teachings of His disciples. Jesus summarized it clearly:

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself” (Matthew 22:37–39).​

Love is the heart of God’s law, and everything He commands flows from love for God, Jesus and for others.

Jesus said:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15).​

Jesus links love directly to obedience. The Law of Christ is not just about feelings; it is shown by following God’s ways.

Jesus taught His followers to forgive others and serve one another:

“If you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matthew 6:14–15)​

“If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet” (John 13:14).​

The Law of Christ works through humility, service, and mercy.​

The apostle John explained that Jesus’ commands are to be followed by those who belong to Him:

“Whoever says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him” (1 John 2:4–5).​

Here, the context is that believers are to support one another, showing the love Jesus commanded.
The Law of Christ is rooted in the life and ministry of Jesus. It comes from His teaching, His example, and the instructions He gave to the twelve apostles to share with the world. It was never a new law in opposition to God’s commandments but a fulfillment and explanation of them. When Jesus said,

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17),​

He meant that the Law of Christ reveals the true purpose of God’s commandments: love, mercy, and obedience from the heart.​

The Law of Christ is living by Jesus’ teachings, loving God and others, obeying His commands, forgiving, serving, and bearing one another’s burdens. (Galatians 6:2). It originates in Christ Himself, is explained by His apostles, and fulfills the moral law of God by showing how it works in our hearts.

it is not a replacement for the ten commandments as Jesus taught and magnified them, but is important and an essential part of the "Law of Christ"

 

[Undergrace1]

I think its more than "just obey" its the desire to want to obey what God asks. Most people instead of going to God and asking for His help in forsaking sins Pro28:13 they argue with God what sin is, what His law is and are essentially trying to think if they can win an argument here, its going to change the will of God in heaven. God's word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 right where God's Testimony is Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments written by God Himself, under His mercy seat Exo40:20 in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev11:19

Jesus showed how board His commandments really are Psa 119:96. Jesus related thoughts of anger and contempt with the commandment to thou shalt not murder Mat5:21-26 Jesus showed how thoughts of lust in the heart lead to breaking the commandment to thou shalt not commit adultery Mat 5:27-30. There really isn't any sin that is not covered in the Ten Commandments. Its why its the perfect law converting the soul Psa19:7 God makes no mistakes we do and if everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus defined them can you image no more having to lock our doors at night, no more murder, everyone only worshipping God - it would be like heaven Isa 48:13

So you would say, we all transgress the TC?