The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Undergrace1 said:
They obeyed their man made rules, and even the worst of sinners could faultlessly obey what many term the legalistic law of rite, ritual and ceremony(Phil3:6)
But the worst sinners could not obey the TC(Rom7:7-11) as neither could the other pharisees, who insisted they must be obeyed
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That would make the Scripture out to be false because in God's word there are a people who overcome and keep God's commandments.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And by this faith and love we are reconciled

Rev 22: 14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Its the devil who wants us to beleive we can't overcome through Christ, that he has more power to keep us in our sins than Jesus has to save us from them. I guess its a matter of which authority one is going to subject themselves to Rom6:16
 
SabbathBlessing said:
That would make the Scripture out to be false because in God's word there are a people who overcome and keep God's commandments.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And by this faith and love we are reconciled

Rev 22: 14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Its the devil who wants us to beleive we can't overcome through Christ, that he has more power to keep us in our sins than Jesus has to save us from them. I guess its a matter of which authority one is going to subject themselves to Rom6:16
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Yes, but you do not understand what obeying the TC entails do you. I chatted to you on another website, and I have never forgotten what you told me in relation to the TC, I quote:
'What's so hard about obeying ten simple commands'
Someone on this thread is accusing me of being a pharisee because I explain some of what is entailed in obeying the TC. So neither he nor you, understands what is entailed in obeying them. Neither did the people in a church I went to on a Saturday to please a friend for a while. They were transgressing the TC without consciousness of sin in ways that left me literally shocked and stunned
So it is true, those who insist you must obey the TC do not have the conviction they should have as to what is entailed in obeying those laws.
I can only say, I have never had such a luxury, it is a christianity, in truth I cannot relate to
 
Undergrace1 said:
Yes, but you do not understand what obeying the TC entails do you. I chatted to you on another website, and I have never forgotten what you told me in relation to the TC, I quote:
'What's so hard about obeying ten simple commands'
Someone on this thread is accusing me of being a pharisee because I explain some of what is entailed in obeying the TC. So neither he nor you, understands what is entailed in obeying them. Neither did the people in a church I went to on a Saturday to please a friend for a while. They were transgressing the TC without consciousness of sin in ways that left me literally shocked and stunned
So it is true, those who insist you must obey the TC do not have the conviction they should have as to what is entailed in obeying those laws.
I can only say, I have never had such a luxury, it is a christianity, in truth I cannot relate to
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Can you quote me actually saying this please? I have never once said it wasn't hard, it requires a whole lifestyle change just like it did for the apostles and His prophets, but Jesus is with us all the way and we can overcome through Him John14:15-18

And please do not speak for me as if you know what I think. That's power belongs to God Ecc12:13-14. You are free to ask, but do not tell me what I think.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Can you quote me actually saying this please? I have never once said it wasn't hard, it requires a whole lifestyle change just like it did for the apostles and His prophets, but Jesus is with us all the way and we can overcome through Him John14:15-18

And please do not speak for me as if you know what I think. That's power belongs to God Ecc12:13-14. You are free to ask, but do not tell me what I think.
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You said it on Christian forums, be careful not to bear false witness here
 
vassal said:
The thing you still cannot understand is that No one can change The Commandments, God gave us, He warned us against changing them do you pretend to know better than God? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE!
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And what you fail to understand is that no one has ever kept the commandments by trying to keep the commandments. It is only as one walks in the Spirit that true obedience takes place. Obedience comes from the heart...Romans 6:17.

You spend all your time talking about the law. We should care to know Christ...1 Corinthians 2:2. It is as we focus on Christ that we live and move and have our being.
 
Cameron143 said:
And what you fail to understand is that no one has ever kept the commandments by trying to keep the commandments. It is only as one walks in the Spirit that true obedience takes place. Obedience comes from the heart...Romans 6:17.

You spend all your time talking about the law. We should care to know Christ...1 Corinthians 2:2. It is as we focus on Christ that we live and move and have our being.
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says who Cameron? who said no one can keep them since we have received the Holy Spirit? Why did God gave is the Ten Commandments? now under the new Covenant all things are possible through the Holy Spirit, you should know this.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
When you make an accusation about someone its meaningless without proof. We can say anything about anyone and it doesn't make it true.
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But I do have a conscience if I transgress law in my most inward parts, I am not in ignorance of it to the extenet many others are
 
SabbathBlessing said:
When you make an accusation about someone its meaningless without proof. We can say anything about anyone and it doesn't make it true.
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In this thread Iwrote:
''So would you say, anyone who fails to perfectly obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but they and God need know they break, is living in wilfull disobedience to God and deliberately living a wilfull lifestyle of sin?''
You responded:
Can you clarify what you mean? Are you saying as an example thoughts of lust but not actually committing adultery?
 
Undergrace1 said:
In this thread Iwrote:
''So would you say, anyone who fails to perfectly obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but they and God need know they break, is living in wilfull disobedience to God and deliberately living a wilfull lifestyle of sin?''
You responded:
Can you clarify what you mean? Are you saying as an example thoughts of lust but not actually committing adultery?
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So asking someone a question to clarify what they mean is now wrong?

I think we are past the point of trying to reason together. I will say so long, but wish you well.
 
vassal said:
says who Cameron? who said no one can keep them since we have received the Holy Spirit? Why did God gave is the Ten Commandments? now under the new Covenant all things are possible through the Holy Spirit, you should know this.
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Just because we have the Spirit doesn't mean we are walking in the Spirit. It is still possible to grieve and quench the Spirit. But as one is walking in the Spirit, they are simply responding to the leading of the Spirit. They aren't saying to themselves...should I keep this commandment? They are simply walking in the light. Their hearts and minds are stayed upon God, and not commandments.

Plenty of people here have shown you that the law was given because of transgression. Every time you focus on the law, you subject yourself to it. Christians are not under the law. That's why there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
 
Undergrace1 said:
How does your post address what I wrote?
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You said "Believers either follow after the Spirit or the law, it cannot be both!"
I was saying that the Same Spirit gave the 10 commandments. You can't follow the Spirit without following the law of God.
 
Sabbath-keepers remind me of the KJVO crowd. Just like they have turned a Bible translation into an idol, so have Sabbath-keepers done with the 10 Commandments.
 
TMS said:
You said "Believers either follow after the Spirit or the law, it cannot be both!"
I was saying that the Same Spirit gave the 10 commandments. You can't follow the Spirit without following the law of God.
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Yes, the Holy Spirit wrote the Ten Commandments so its not logical that the Holy Spirit is against those who obey what He wrote. The Bible says the opposite. Its never either or, its both.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

1 John3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

Compared to the spiritual mind

Rom 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
 
vassal said:
It wont make a difference what I say as you do not believe me but here;
@Gideon300
G:"And faithful followers of Christ have been meeting on Sundays for 1900 years."
me: they have been following the wrong day since that time, but the fault may not reside with them as they relied on the church leaders, many did not read or did not have any writings, but today there is no excuse we have the written words from GOD, but the old traditions of Men are still in effect for many.

G:Somehow the church has survived. Somehow the gospel has been preached by Sunday worshipers over most of the world.
what church has survided which one, thousands of different ones with a different gospel...

G:Maybe that is because God gave us a new covenant of grace.
we are under grace yes but that does not constitute the covenant, the Covenant is the Ten Commandments people who follow God know this and honour it because the Holy spirit tells them teaches them and helps them endure this world, Christ never saidt it would be easy but he promised to help us and He does!

G: "I don't care if the pope recants and says that Saturday is the sabbath. When I read in Acts 15 that the gentiles are required to obey the sabbath, I'll change my mind. Even the Message bible does not say that. "

like I said I will explain acts 15 in detail with the historical context to me, it is important people get it right, it has caused too much confusion, I have to find some external references but i will write it, it may a few days unless i find quickly.
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I believe that is what you think. I find your disagreement petty and unwarranted.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Yes, the Holy Spirit wrote the Ten Commandments so its not logical that the Holy Spirit is against those who obey what He wrote. The Bible says the opposite. Its never either or, its both.
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You claim to make an argument of logic while employing a logical fallacy.
 
NightTwister said:
Sabbath-keepers remind me of the KJVO crowd. Just like they have turned a Bible translation into an idol, so have Sabbath-keepers done with the 10 Commandments.
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Guess the wisest man did so as well under your definition.


Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

The blessings God will bring is worth following what God asks, spending eternity with our Savior and have the world go back where there will be no more sin.

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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