The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Undergrace1]

It is the same God.. one God. The Spirit is God and the Law was given by God.
How can you seperate them. They will not controdict or work against each other.
To follow the Spirit results in keeping the law. The fruits of the Spirit are all in line with the 10 commandments.

Same God same law same Spirit.

I will show you why there is in essence the disagreement here.
A while ago, I chatted to someone on this website, who I have been debating concerning the TC. Regarding the TC, they stated, and I quote:
‘What’s so hard about obeying ten simple commands’
You cannot make such a statement unless you only have a shallow understanding of what obeying that law demands. You cannot have the conviction you should have concerning transgressing them.
They are not alone, I went to a church on a Saturday for a while to please a friend. I witnessed people transgressing the TC without consciousness of sin in a way that truly shocked and stunned me. They all insisted ‘You must obey the TC’
And it is always the same, those who keep repeating you must obey the TC do not have the conviction they should have concerning what is entailed in obeying those commands. That is why, people read the letter of scripture and state we must and can keep those commands.
Paul was not in ignorance as to what was required to obey those commands, hence he termed them the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation.
And Paul gave the example of a commandment as to why he had to die to the law as he put it. The example he gave was one of the TC, he could not obey it, for he could not obey law relating to the inner man, law no one but he and God need know you break. Nothing to do with what goes on, on the outside, just the inside, thoughts!
So basically, that is why people keep insisting you must obey the TC and I do not. They judge a person’s Christianity by law you will always stand guilty before!
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version, the watered down version does not exist!

 

[Undergrace1]

To follow the Spirit results in keeping the law.
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Can I ask you something?
Many people say you must obey the TC, following after the Spirit results in keeping them But why do people making those statements not add to that, they themselves transgress the TC? I would think they should, if they desire to obey the second greatest commandment

 

[Undergrace1]

If you don’t obey the TC you show you are not saved according to some
So, you must never put anything before God in your life
You must never erect any graven image in your mind
You must never tell any even little fibs about another
You must not dwell on any impure thought
You must not have lust/sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse
You must not desire/covet anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.
You must obey the law regarding the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break’/thoughts, desires.

How many are saved, if they are correct?
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matt7:2

 

[Gideon300]

Dear friend,

I will have to point out Acts 20:7 was a one time meeting, Paul was leaving the next day (Sunday) for a long mission trip they came together to break bread or have a meal on the evening of the first day which is what we call Saturday night. It doesn;t say anything about them transferring the sanctification of Sabbath to Sunday, only God can do this.

In 1 Cor 16:2 this was a collection for needy at home, it was a one time collection. It doesn;t say anything about transferring the sanctification from Sabbath to Sunday.

I go to church every Sabbath or at least try to when I am able, but I also do things on other days of the week as well, as did the apostles. There is not one verse that says the apostles came together for worship every first day or its a new commandment of God or new day of worship. The apostles did not have that kind of authority, they were servants of God, not His corrector. I agree with you on a lot, but Sunday being kept as the new Sabbath was after Scripture just as it was predicted. Acts 20:29 Dan7:25

God is calling us back to worship Him Rev14:7 who made the heavens and earth our Creator Exo20:11 we cannot serve two masters.

You a right. You either serve the Law with all its burdens or you serve the risen Lord Jesus with His Law of the Spirit of Life. personally, I choose Jesus. The Law is so harsh that it killed me. Galatians 2:19. Of course, you are still desperately trying to please God by your self effort. Keep trying. One day, you might realise that you are on a fool's errand and you will come into the freedom that belongs to those in Christ.

 

[Gideon300]

There was more to keeping the sabbath day than simply resting on a certain day. Also notice who God was addressing and what covenant they were under.

Exodus 16:1 - And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt... 23 - Then he said to them, "This is what the Lord has said: Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning." 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” 27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do YOU refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore, He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.”

Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage... 8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 31:14 - YOU shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for YOU, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

Deuteronomy 5:1 - And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them... 12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it YOU shall do no work: YOU, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as YOU. 15 And remember that YOU were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought YOU out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord your God commanded YOU to keep the Sabbath day.

Numbers 15:32 - Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

I misunderstood your point previously. If I offended you, I apologise.

 

[Gideon300]

I never said the Holy Spirit is the law of Moses, not sure where you got that from, but the Ten Commandments is the Law of God thus saith the Lord Exo20:6 Deut4:13 written by God, the One who created you, me, Moses and everything in the entire Universe, not man Exo31:18

This is not really a response to my post. But that's okay. Take care

"Hear O Israel............." I am not a Jew and I do not live in Israel. I suggest that you move there. You would be right at home.

 

[Gideon300]

Catholic statements

After Constantine made the initial legal decree about the change, the Catholic Church reinforced that act in one church council after another. For this reason, many, many official statements from Catholic sources are made, claiming that the church made the change from Saturday to Sunday. But before I read those statements I shall refer to one from the Encyclopedia Britannica under the article, Sunday. Notice: “It was Constantine who first made a law for the proper observance of Sunday and who appointed that it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman empire.”

A quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sydney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

From the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

From Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

There is many more but I think you get the picture..

Like I said. A honest study of the first 100+ years after Christ will show that all the faithful followers of Jesus kept the 7th day sabbath.

And faithful followers of Christ have been meeting on Sundays for 1900 years. Somehow the church has survived. Somehow the gospel has been preached by Sunday worshipers over most of the world. Somehow God has not struck all us evil disobedient lawbreakers dead. Maybe that is because God gave us a new covenant of grace.

I don't care if the pope recants and says that Saturday is the sabbath. When I read in Acts 15 that the gentiles are required to obey the sabbath, I'll change my mind. Even the Message bible does not say that.

 

[vassal]

And faithful followers of Christ have been meeting on Sundays for 1900 years. Somehow the church has survived. Somehow the gospel has been preached by Sunday worshipers over most of the world. Somehow God has not struck all us evil disobedient lawbreakers dead. Maybe that is because God gave us a new covenant of grace.

I don't care if the pope recants and says that Saturday is the sabbath. When I read in Acts 15 that the gentiles are required to obey the sabbath, I'll change my mind. Even the Message bible does not say that.

The faithful people of GOD have been worshipping on the 7 th day since the beginning as He ordained and commanded, yes Commanded! His faithful people will continue to do so, as it is written in the book of revelations. GOD does not change!

God said to Remember it and keep the sabbath,, surely, Jesus did, Paul did the disciples did, so why can't you?

What puts peuple off is people think they have to do as the pharisees did who added do much rules to it that it became a burden, God did not make it a burden, people did. Read how Jesus rebuked the pharisees about it.

Isaiah 58:13-14 tells us how to follow the sabbath Jesus also told us how to, it's not a burden but a Blessing. but many won't listen and fail God's test of faithfulness.

Many do not understand Acts 15 and it's context and twist it until it becomes something else I will have to post on this... to be continued.

 

[vassal]

I will show you why there is in essence the disagreement here.
A while ago, I chatted to someone on this website, who I have been debating concerning the TC. Regarding the TC, they stated, and I quote:
‘What’s so hard about obeying ten simple commands’
You cannot make such a statement unless you only have a shallow understanding of what obeying that law demands. You cannot have the conviction you should have concerning transgressing them.
They are not alone, I went to a church on a Saturday for a while to please a friend. I witnessed people transgressing the TC without consciousness of sin in a way that truly shocked and stunned me. They all insisted ‘You must obey the TC’
And it is always the same, those who keep repeating you must obey the TC do not have the conviction they should have concerning what is entailed in obeying those commands. That is why, people read the letter of scripture and state we must and can keep those commands.
Paul was not in ignorance as to what was required to obey those commands, hence he termed them the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation.
And Paul gave the example of a commandment as to why he had to die to the law as he put it. The example he gave was one of the TC, he could not obey it, for he could not obey law relating to the inner man, law no one but he and God need know you break. Nothing to do with what goes on, on the outside, just the inside, thoughts!
So basically, that is why people keep insisting you must obey the TC and I do not. They judge a person’s Christianity by law you will always stand guilty before!
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version, the watered down version does not exist!

you think like a pharisee who added so much to the commandments it became a burden, wake up they are simple not a burden.
In case you did not read it properly Jesus and God insisted we keep the Ten Commandments because they are the covenant, why do you think Jesus sent so much time teaching all of them? also remember Jesus will Judge us not the people and it will be according to HIS words and His alone.

 

[Undergrace1]

you think like a pharisee who added so much to the commandments it became a burden, wake up they are simple not a burden.
In case you did not read it properly Jesus and God insisted we keep the Ten Commandments because they are the covenant, why do you think Jesus sent so much time teaching all of them? also remember Jesus will Judge us not the people and it will be according to HIS words and His alone.

Oh no, the pharisees convinced themselves the fully obeyed the law when they did not. I am far from that
There is only one version of the TC in the bible, and it is NOT a watered down one, that does not exist:

you must never put anything before God in your life
You must never erect any graven image in your mind
You must never tell any even little fibs about another
You must not dwell on any impure thought
You must not have lust/sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse
You must not desire/covet anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.
You must obey the law regarding the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break’/thoughts, desires.

 

[vassal]

Oh no, the pharisees convinced themselves the fully obeyed the law when they did not. I am far from that
There is only one version of the TC in the bible, and it is NOT a watered down one, that does not exist:

you must never put anything before God in your life
You must never erect any graven image in your mind
You must never tell any even little fibs about another
You must not dwell on any impure thought
You must not have lust/sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse
You must not desire/covet anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.
You must obey the law regarding the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break’/thoughts, desires.

Your words sound and pretend to be holy, but you are doing the same thing the Pharisees did!
You are adding ideas that God never spoke and turning His simple commandments into something God never said. Jesus warned about this. He said the Pharisees “made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition” (Matthew 15:6 ). They added to God’s law, and you are doing the same by creating your own version of the Ten Commandments that never appears in Scripture.

God Himself spoke the Ten Commandments aloud. Jesus honoured them and taught every one of them. The commandments are already perfect as God spoke them. No one is allowed to rewrite them. God warned clearly, “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it” (Deuteronomy 4:2).

When you rewrite them in your own words and add inner rules that God did not speak, you break this command!

Jesus kept the commandments exactly as written. He never replaced them. He never rewrote them. He told the rich young ruler to keep the commandments just as God spoke them (Matthew 19:17–19). When Jesus explained them, He gave deeper meaning, but He never changed the wording, and He never created new versions. He showed anger and lust begin in the heart, but He did not say, “Make a new inner-law list for yourself.” He simply showed the spirit behind the command, not a new set of words.
You said you “must never erect any graven image in your mind.” God never said this. What God actually said is, “Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image” (Exodus 20:4 ). Changing God’s words is dangerous. God Himself warns against it.

You said you “must not dwell on any impure thought.” Jesus did not say that. Jesus said that anger and lust are sins of the heart, but He never replaced God’s command with a different one. Jesus always brought people back to God’s original spoken law.

You said there is “only one version” of the Ten Commandments. Yes, and it is the one God spoke with His own voice. Not the one you created. Not the one the Pharisees created. Not a rewritten one.

God called the Ten Commandments “My covenant” (Exodus 34:28). Jesus honored that covenant. He said, “Think not that I came to destroy the law” (Matthew 5:17). He taught it. He lived it. He sent His disciples to teach everything He commanded (Matthew 28:20 ).

If you truly believe Jesus will judge us, then listen to His warning. He said many people will think they are righteous because of their own ideas, but they will not enter His kingdom. He said, “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Jesus said we will be judged by His words, not ours. “The word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

Jesus never said your rewritten commandments. He spoke God’s commandments.
If you want to obey God, then keep the commandments as God wrote them and as Jesus taught them. Do not add your own rules. Do not create new wording. Obey the covenant God spoke, the one Jesus honored.

That is the path of a disciple.

 

[Dino246]

And faithful followers of Christ have been meeting on Sundays for 1900 years. Somehow the church has survived. Somehow the gospel has been preached by Sunday worshipers over most of the world. Somehow God has not struck all us evil disobedient lawbreakers dead. Maybe that is because God gave us a new covenant of grace.

I don't care if the pope recants and says that Saturday is the sabbath. When I read in Acts 15 that the gentiles are required to obey the sabbath, I'll change my mind. Even the Message bible does not say that.

@vassal: with what in the above post do you disagree? Please be specific.

 

[Undergrace1]

Your words sound and pretend to be holy, but you are doing the same thing the Pharisees did!
You are adding ideas that God never spoke and turning His simple commandments into something God never said. Jesus warned about this. He said the Pharisees “made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition” (Matthew 15:6 ). They added to God’s law, and you are doing the same by creating your own version of the Ten Commandments that never appears in Scripture.

God Himself spoke the Ten Commandments aloud. Jesus honoured them and taught every one of them. The commandments are already perfect as God spoke them. No one is allowed to rewrite them. God warned clearly, “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it” (Deuteronomy 4:2).

When you rewrite them in your own words and add inner rules that God did not speak, you break this command!

Jesus kept the commandments exactly as written. He never replaced them. He never rewrote them. He told the rich young ruler to keep the commandments just as God spoke them (Matthew 19:17–19). When Jesus explained them, He gave deeper meaning, but He never changed the wording, and He never created new versions. He showed anger and lust begin in the heart, but He did not say, “Make a new inner-law list for yourself.” He simply showed the spirit behind the command, not a new set of words.
You said you “must never erect any graven image in your mind.” God never said this. What God actually said is, “Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image” (Exodus 20:4 ). Changing God’s words is dangerous. God Himself warns against it.

You said you “must not dwell on any impure thought.” Jesus did not say that. Jesus said that anger and lust are sins of the heart, but He never replaced God’s command with a different one. Jesus always brought people back to God’s original spoken law.

You said there is “only one version” of the Ten Commandments. Yes, and it is the one God spoke with His own voice. Not the one you created. Not the one the Pharisees created. Not a rewritten one.

God called the Ten Commandments “My covenant” (Exodus 34:28). Jesus honored that covenant. He said, “Think not that I came to destroy the law” (Matthew 5:17). He taught it. He lived it. He sent His disciples to teach everything He commanded (Matthew 28:20 ).

If you truly believe Jesus will judge us, then listen to His warning. He said many people will think they are righteous because of their own ideas, but they will not enter His kingdom. He said, “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Jesus said we will be judged by His words, not ours. “The word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

Jesus never said your rewritten commandments. He spoke God’s commandments.
If you want to obey God, then keep the commandments as God wrote them and as Jesus taught them. Do not add your own rules. Do not create new wording. Obey the covenant God spoke, the one Jesus honored.

That is the path of a disciple.

I think you are bit confused here. The pharisees added their man made rules, had nothing to do with the TC. They thought they obeyed the law, but they too only lives with a watered down version of the TC. For Jesus said they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and EVERYTHING unclean on the inside. That would be thoughts/desires/coveting. Their hypocrisy was insisting of others what they did not insist of themselves.
But if you do not believe me, hopefully you will believe the commandment as written and Paul:

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, OR ANYTHING that belongs to your neighbor.”
That of course includes material goods or a member of their household.

for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire Rom7:7&8

So, the tenth commandment covers lust/sexual desire. You must not desire what is not yours to desire, so you may only lust have sexual desire for your spouse
Thou shalt not covet relates to what goes on, on the inside of man, his thoughts/desires. It may be painful for you to accept that, but it is the truth. That commandment does not require any outward act to transgress it, as you should know

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The faithful people of GOD have been worshipping on the 7 th day since the beginning as He ordained and commanded, yes Commanded! His faithful people will continue to do so, as it is written in the book of revelations. GOD does not change!

God said to Remember it and keep the sabbath,, surely, Jesus did, Paul did the disciples did, so why can't you?

What puts peuple off is people think they have to do as the pharisees did who added do much rules to it that it became a burden, God did not make it a burden, people did. Read how Jesus rebuked the pharisees about it.

Isaiah 58:13-14 tells us how to follow the sabbath Jesus also told us how to, it's not a burden but a Blessing. but many won't listen and fail God's test of faithfulness.

Many do not understand Acts 15 and it's context and twist it until it becomes something else I will have to post on this... to be continued.

Many miss the Sabbath was part of the council for the Gentiles - keeping every Sabbath in every city. Just as Jesus indicated Isa 56:6-7

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I think you are bit confused here. The pharisees added their man made rules, had nothing to do with the TC. They thought they obeyed the law, but they too only lives with a watered down version of the TC. For Jesus said they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and EVERYTHING unclean on the inside. That would be thoughts/desires/coveting. Their hypocrisy was insisting of others what they did not insist of themselves.
But if you do not believe me, hopefully you will believe the commandment as written and Paul:

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, OR ANYTHING that belongs to your neighbor.”
That of course includes material goods or a member of their household.

for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire Rom7:7&8

So, the tenth commandment covers lust/sexual desire. You must not desire what is not yours to desire, so you may only lust have sexual desire for your spouse
Thou shalt not covet relates to what goes on, on the inside of man, his thoughts/desires. It may be painful for you to accept that, but it is the truth. That commandment does not require any outward act to transgress it, as you should know

They did not obey the law according to Jesus and Paul. They placed their man-made traditions over obeying God's commandants- something Jesus condemned harshly.

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Rom 2: 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

 

[Undergrace1]

They did not obey the law according to Jesus and Paul. They places their man-made traditions over obeying God's commandants- something Jesus condemned.

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

They obeyed their man made rules, and even the worst of sinners could faultlessly obey what many term the legalistic law of rite, ritual and ceremony(Phil3:6)
But the worst sinners could not obey the TC(Rom7:7-11) as neither could the other pharisees, who insisted they must be obeyed

 

[vassal]

@vassal: with what in the above post do you disagree? Please be specific.

It wont make a difference what I say as you do not believe me but here;
@Gideon300
G:"And faithful followers of Christ have been meeting on Sundays for 1900 years."
me: they have been following the wrong day since that time, but the fault may not reside with them as they relied on the church leaders, many did not read or did not have any writings, but today there is no excuse we have the written words from GOD, but the old traditions of Men are still in effect for many.

G:Somehow the church has survived. Somehow the gospel has been preached by Sunday worshipers over most of the world.
what church has survided which one, thousands of different ones with a different gospel...

G:Maybe that is because God gave us a new covenant of grace.
we are under grace yes but that does not constitute the covenant, the Covenant is the Ten Commandments people who follow God know this and honour it because the Holy spirit tells them teaches them and helps them endure this world, Christ never saidt it would be easy but he promised to help us and He does!

G: "I don't care if the pope recants and says that Saturday is the sabbath. When I read in Acts 15 that the gentiles are required to obey the sabbath, I'll change my mind. Even the Message bible does not say that. "

like I said I will explain acts 15 in detail with the historical context to me, it is important people get it right, it has caused too much confusion, I have to find some external references but i will write it, it may a few days unless i find quickly.

 

[Cameron143]

Your words sound and pretend to be holy, but you are doing the same thing the Pharisees did!
You are adding ideas that God never spoke and turning His simple commandments into something God never said. Jesus warned about this. He said the Pharisees “made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition” (Matthew 15:6 ). They added to God’s law, and you are doing the same by creating your own version of the Ten Commandments that never appears in Scripture.

God Himself spoke the Ten Commandments aloud. Jesus honoured them and taught every one of them. The commandments are already perfect as God spoke them. No one is allowed to rewrite them. God warned clearly, “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it” (Deuteronomy 4:2).

When you rewrite them in your own words and add inner rules that God did not speak, you break this command!

Jesus kept the commandments exactly as written. He never replaced them. He never rewrote them. He told the rich young ruler to keep the commandments just as God spoke them (Matthew 19:17–19). When Jesus explained them, He gave deeper meaning, but He never changed the wording, and He never created new versions. He showed anger and lust begin in the heart, but He did not say, “Make a new inner-law list for yourself.” He simply showed the spirit behind the command, not a new set of words.
You said you “must never erect any graven image in your mind.” God never said this. What God actually said is, “Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image” (Exodus 20:4 ). Changing God’s words is dangerous. God Himself warns against it.

You said you “must not dwell on any impure thought.” Jesus did not say that. Jesus said that anger and lust are sins of the heart, but He never replaced God’s command with a different one. Jesus always brought people back to God’s original spoken law.

You said there is “only one version” of the Ten Commandments. Yes, and it is the one God spoke with His own voice. Not the one you created. Not the one the Pharisees created. Not a rewritten one.

God called the Ten Commandments “My covenant” (Exodus 34:28). Jesus honored that covenant. He said, “Think not that I came to destroy the law” (Matthew 5:17). He taught it. He lived it. He sent His disciples to teach everything He commanded (Matthew 28:20 ).

If you truly believe Jesus will judge us, then listen to His warning. He said many people will think they are righteous because of their own ideas, but they will not enter His kingdom. He said, “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Jesus said we will be judged by His words, not ours. “The word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

Jesus never said your rewritten commandments. He spoke God’s commandments.
If you want to obey God, then keep the commandments as God wrote them and as Jesus taught them. Do not add your own rules. Do not create new wording. Obey the covenant God spoke, the one Jesus honored.

That is the path of a disciple.

Jesus not only spoke them, He explained them...Matthew 5...you have heard it said but I say...
Understanding the law is not simply a list of things to do but also includes the motivations for our actions is important. This is not adding to the law, but is actually keeping the law.

 

[vassal]

Jesus not only spoke them, He explained them...Matthew 5...you have heard it said but I say...
Understanding the law is not simply a list of things to do but also includes the motivations for our actions is important. This is not adding to the law, but is actually keeping the law.

The thing you still cannot understand is that No one can change The Commandments, God gave us, He warned us against changing them do you pretend to know better than God? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE!

 

[TMS]

Christians have been using Sunday as the Sabbath for about 2,000 years though. Wouldn't you think God would have made it abundantly clear to us by now if it's wrong?

Soften your heart and surrender your traditional ideas, ask God, PRAY that God will show you the truth.

God is often speaking in a soft voice for those that have ears to hear.
There are examples out there of the Sabbath being shown to people as the 7th day.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Why hasn't God revealed it? You ask. ... He has in His word, God wants us to trust the word. Psa 119:105. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

We are told that the devil will work wonders and sign in the last days so we need to hang on to the bible as the means to test all things. Miracles are not really a reliable way to know if it is truth.. because the devil can preform them too.

Ask God, he wants to reveal the truth...