Alcohol Damages Health

[Believer08]

I do not drink, never have and do not recommend it for various reasons. Drunkenness is a sin (Eph. 5:18), so the question we must ask is at point does one begin getting drunk? Or at one point does one begin getting high on drugs? And in order to know when you begin to get drunk, you’d first have to get drunk, otherwise you’d never know when you have went over your limit, which is a sin!! But then over time, one’s tolerance builds up to it. What once impaired your judgment may eventually feel “normal,” so you continue drinking, and so you don’t think you are drunk. Before you know it, you are drunk!! That’s why the safest, wisest route is complete and total abstinence (unless it’s for strictly a medicinal purpose, 1 Tim. 5:23, and even then it’s to be “a little”)!!

Safest advice: Don’t drink!!

 

[TruthDefender]

I do not drink, never have and do not recommend it for various reasons. Drunkenness is a sin (Eph. 5:18), so the question we must ask is at point does one begin getting drunk? Or at one point does one begin getting high on drugs? And in order to know when you begin to get drunk, you’d first have to get drunk, otherwise you’d never know when you have went over your limit, which is a sin!! But then over time, one’s tolerance builds up to it. What once impaired your judgment may eventually feel “normal,” so you continue drinking, and so you don’t think you are drunk. Before you know it, you are drunk!! That’s why the safest, wisest route is complete and total abstinence (unless it’s for strictly a medicinal purpose, 1 Tim. 5:23, and even then it’s to be “a little”)!!

Safest advice: Don’t drink!!

Eat and drink in moderation, and give thanks to God who gave us both Food and Drink to enjoy!!!
The key is to do BOTH of these things in moderation.

 

[Blue155]

Eat and drink in moderation, and give thanks to God who gave us both Food and Drink to enjoy!!!
The key is to do BOTH of these things in moderation.

I do not drink and am not going to start now, nor will I allow myself to determine who or what the standard is of moderation when it comes to drinking alcoholic beverages.

 

[TruthDefender]

According to some, that's enough to send you to hell for an eternity.

Those "some" being they who do not accept the full counsel of God...

I grew up with this stringent prohibition not really understanding it till I was in my 50-60’s. Sad really!

I made a point to pull every verse there was on drinking, and study this subject. My conclusion: This so called prohibition was added to Scripture in the 1800-1900’s. It’s part of a hammy down gospel, which is false!

There is not one Scripture that forbids us from drinking, period; there are only verses that warn us against drunkenness. Only the High Priests that were on duty were forbidden to drink, for obvious reasons (they had to be sober for their duties).

The Jews drank, the apostles drank, Jesus drank. Jesus’ cousin, John the Baptist, did not drink. Only Elders in the church are not supposed to drink. Why? Because they’re always supposed to be on duty.

God told us not to hurt the WINE or the OIL. Also, to drink WINE for health reasons.

 

[TruthDefender]

I do not drink and am not going to start now, nor will I allow myself to determine who or what the standard is of moderation when it comes to drinking alcoholic beverages.

I’ve learned to discern what is TRUTH, based on Scripture alone. This alone dictates my belief in what is acceptable, and what is false.

 

[Gideon300]

I do not drink, never have and do not recommend it for various reasons. Drunkenness is a sin (Eph. 5:18), so the question we must ask is at point does one begin getting drunk? Or at one point does one begin getting high on drugs? And in order to know when you begin to get drunk, you’d first have to get drunk, otherwise you’d never know when you have went over your limit, which is a sin!! But then over time, one’s tolerance builds up to it. What once impaired your judgment may eventually feel “normal,” so you continue drinking, and so you don’t think you are drunk. Before you know it, you are drunk!! That’s why the safest, wisest route is complete and total abstinence (unless it’s for strictly a medicinal purpose, 1 Tim. 5:23, and even then it’s to be “a little”)!!

Safest advice: Don’t drink!!

Some people should not drink. They do not have the metabolism to deal with alcohol. Others can do just fine. Jesus was OK with drinking alcohol. And honest reading of the miracle of water into wine demonstrates that.

If you drank alcohol, you would know exactly when to stop. Unbelievers use alcohol for self medication. "Give wine to him who is bitter in spirit". Proverbs 31:6. Believers are not trying to escape their miserable lives.

I speak as one who was an alcoholic before I was 21. I did not know it at the time, but I was trying to fill the void that every unbeliever has. I was delivered of the addiction. It's as much psychological as physical.

After a couple of years, I decided to have a glass of wine with a meal. That was a test for me. I had one glass and that was enough. That was 50 years ago. About 3 years ago, I stopped drinking. It was not a spiritual issue. I just lost the taste for it. I'm also on medications and I don't want to risk a clash with the meds.

It's none of your business what people eat or drink. Each believer has his own walk with God. We are advised not to get drunk. That's it.

 

[Gideon300]

I grew up with this stringent prohibition not really understanding it till I was in my 50-60’s. Sad really!

I made a point to pull every verse there was on drinking, and study this subject. My conclusion: This so called prohibition was added to Scripture in the 1800-1900’s. It’s part of a hammy down gospel, which is false!

There is not one Scripture that forbids us from drinking, period; there are only verses that warn us against drunkenness. Only the High Priests that were on duty were forbidden to drink, for obvious reasons (they had to be sober for their duties).

The Jews drank, the apostles drank, Jesus drank. Jesus’ cousin, John the Baptist, did not drink. Only Elders in the church are not supposed to drink. Why? Because they’re always supposed to be on duty.

God told us not to hurt the WINE or the OIL. Also, to drink WINE for health reasons.

Even elders may drink in moderation. They may choose not to. I was youth leader for a couple of years and a couple of the guys were prone to overdoing it. I quit for that period. This is what grace is about. John the Baptist was a Nazirite. Lord Jesus was not.

 

[Blue155]

Some people should not drink. They do not have the metabolism to deal with alcohol. Others can do just fine. Jesus was OK with drinking alcohol. And honest reading of the miracle of water into wine demonstrates that.

If you drank alcohol, you would know exactly when to stop. Unbelievers use alcohol for self medication. "Give wine to him who is bitter in spirit". Proverbs 31:6. Believers are not trying to escape their miserable lives.

I speak as one who was an alcoholic before I was 21. I did not know it at the time, but I was trying to fill the void that every unbeliever has. I was delivered of the addiction. It's as much psychological as physical.

After a couple of years, I decided to have a glass of wine with a meal. That was a test for me. I had one glass and that was enough. That was 50 years ago. About 3 years ago, I stopped drinking. It was not a spiritual issue. I just lost the taste for it. I'm also on medications and I don't want to risk a clash with the meds.

It's none of your business what people eat or drink. Each believer has his own walk with God. We are advised not to get drunk. That's it.

My conscience will be clear. I don’t have to worry about finding out the limit. I don’t have to worry about getting drunk. I don’t have to worry about being an alcoholic. I don’t have to worry whether or not I can tolerate it. I also don’t have to wonder what the standard is of when one is drunk. If you want to try or if you already know, but want to continue to drink, then that’s your choice. As for me, my conscience is clear.

 

[Blue155]

I’ve learned to discern what is TRUTH, based on Scripture alone. This alone dictates my belief in what is acceptable, and what is false.

Good! Glad to hear that.

 

[gb9]

My conscience will be clear. I don’t have to worry about finding out the limit. I don’t have to worry about getting drunk. I don’t have to worry about being an alcoholic. I don’t have to worry whether or not I can tolerate it. I also don’t have to wonder what the standard is of when one is drunk. If you want to try or if you already know, but want to continue to drink, then that’s your choice. As for me, my conscience is clear.

if you choose to abstain, that is fine.

maybe not try to guilt others who do not abstain.

 

[Blue155]

if you choose to abstain, that is fine.

maybe not try to guilt others who do not abstain.

What guilt would there be on their part if it’s not sinful according to them?

 

[gb9]

What guilt would there be on their part if it’s not sinful according to them?

you continue to talk about having a clear conscience , implying that those who drink might not???

 

[Blue155]

you continue to talk about having a clear conscience , implying that those who drink might not???

I was referring to myself and if I was to begin drinking. I said earlier to someone else who either drinks or condones it “…that’s your choice…” Where is the guilt there?

 

[Gideon300]

My conscience will be clear. I don’t have to worry about finding out the limit. I don’t have to worry about getting drunk. I don’t have to worry about being an alcoholic. I don’t have to worry whether or not I can tolerate it. I also don’t have to wonder what the standard is of when one is drunk. If you want to try or if you already know, but want to continue to drink, then that’s your choice. As for me, my conscience is clear.

Good. So is mine. Jesus had a clear conscience too.

 

[Blue155]

Good. So is mine. Jesus had a clear conscience too.

Jesus never got drunk. Jesus never got impaired by alcohol. Even if Jesus drank alcohol, He didn’t have to wonder where the perfect limit or perfect standard of moderation is, because He knew. Even if He did drink, He knew and didn’t have to wonder whether or not He could tolerate it without having a guilty conscience. We on the other hand cannot for various reasons. Again, my conscience is clear.

Because I do not drink, then like Jesus, I will also never get drunk, I will never get impaired by alcohol, I won’t have to wonder where the perfect limit or perfect standard of moderation is, I won’t have to worry or wonder whether I could tolerate it, and I won’t have to wonder when or why to stop. My conscience is clear.

 

[gb9]

I was referring to myself and if I was to begin drinking. I said earlier to someone else who either drinks or condones it “…that’s your choice…” Where is the guilt there?

missed that. you are correct.
my apologies.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

If you guys have any heart conditions, angina, palpitations, or swollen ankles, etc do NOT drink in moderation.

Moderation is the word that assuages the conscience and leads to damage. I have seen men who never appeared drunk end up in Cardiac ICU as money bags for MDs.

I lost a dear friend who was having cardiac discomfort.
The last thing he told me was that he opened an old bottle of some rare, expensive liquor and drank it. He drank wine for the "heart healthy" benefits that some MDs have fooled too many into believing. Most MDs don't know a healthy beverage from poison.
His wife found him dead.
I can't say it was the alcohol that killed, but if you think the little bit if polyphenols in wine is good for your health, you might as well tell yourself that sweetened cereal is good for your children since it's "fortified" with a bit of fairy dust worth of vitamins.
That liquor did not help one bit.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

 

[ThroughTheStorm]

When did He drink alcohol?

Wine can be new or old
Alcohol or fresh grape juice.

Perhaps these verses.

Matthew 11:18-19
"For Yochanan (John) came, fasting, not drinking — so they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came, eating freely and drinking wine — so they say, ‘Aha! A glutton and a drunkard! A friend of tax-collectors and sinners!’ Well, the proof of wisdom is in the actions it produces.”

 

[Blue155]

If you guys have any heart conditions, angina, palpitations, or swollen ankles, etc do NOT drink in moderation.

Moderation is the word that assuages the conscience and leads to damage. I have seen men who never appeared drunk end up in Cardiac ICU as money bags for MDs.

I lost a dear friend who was having cardiac discomfort.
The last thing he told me was that he opened an old bottle of some rare, expensive liquor and drank it. He drank wine for the "heart healthy" benefits that some MDs have fooled too many into believing. Most MDs don't know a healthy beverage from poison.
His wife found him dead.
I can't say it was the alcohol that killed, but if you think the little bit if polyphenols in wine is good for your health, you might as well tell yourself that sweetened cereal is good for your children since it's "fortified" with a bit of fairy dust worth of vitamins.
That liquor did not help one bit.

Why do people drink? That’s the real question. Why? For what purpose? If not for a legitimate medical reason (and if they aren’t using that as an excuse to drink), what reason is there? Usually, the reason why is because they like it and like how it makes them feel.