Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
Grace and peace.
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This would be an example of evil/human good/self righteousness.

It's not sin, but it is evil.


If I am one of your "un-elect".........That is about the biggest lie you can spout.

And it sure sounds very sincere according to the rest of your post(Sarcasm.)
 
HeIsHere said:
Oops... the person did not accept it. :rolleyes:

Nice moving the goal post, or adding a goal post, or something, once again.
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BOOM. Happens all the time.

He just got egg on his face for his "sins are deeds" statement. and couldn't deal with it......so throw a toddler, passive aggressive temper tantrum.
 
Jordon said:
Well I don't know really why people believe what they do unless I enquire,

But there has been in assumption made I know of, which suggested that perseverance of the saints means a works based religion, but by all accounts the Doctrine about tulip is God saving you, unconditional election means God chooses people based on his own will, ie God's will, not on the bases of what you or I have done.

And perseverance of the saints means those chosen through unconditional election, and means they won't fall away.

Where as there's an assumption that perseverance of the saints means they have to work for the salvation.

It's a bit like sanctification its generally viewed as an ongoing process, but some view it as an immediate state of justification
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Well maybe I just met the wrong kind of Tulip believers because most of them that I have spoken to believe in a works salvation based on obedience
 
Cameron143 said:
Jesus dying for sins once doesn't equate to paying for every sin; only there was only 1 point in history where sin was paid for.
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Jesus account already has the deposit in full, enough credit for every man. However not every man chooses to debit His account.
Due to unbelief, obstinacy and pride, among other things.
 
Kroogz said:
This would be an example of evil/human good/self righteousness.

It's not sin, but it is evil.


If I am one of your "un-elect".........That is about the biggest lie you can spout.

And it sure sounds very sincere according to the rest of your post(Sarcasm.)
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Of course I'm having sport with you. You miss my points and indiscriminately answer. Since there is no real discussion, I at least find some amusement.
 
cv5 said:
Jesus account already has the deposit in full, enough credit for every man. However not every man chooses to debit His account.
Due to unbelief, obstinacy and pride, among other things.
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I get it. God did all He can do and it's up to mankind to obtain it for themselves.
 
Rom 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.


Original Word: ἁμαρτία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Pronunciation: hah-mar-TEE-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
KJV: offence, sin(-ful)
NASB: sin, sins, sinful
Word Origin: [from G264 (ἁμαρτάνω - sinned)]

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds.

ergon: Work, deed, action, task, labor
Original Word: ἔργον
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Pronunciation: ER-gon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
KJV: deed, doing, labour, work
NASB: works, deeds, work, deed, action, behavior, doing
Word Origin: [from a primary (but obsolete) ergo "to work"]

Cameron143 said:
Of course I'm having sport with you. You miss my points and indiscriminately answer. Since there is no real discussion, I at least find some amusement.
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He died for all. And sin is not DEEDS.

Matt 7:22
Many will say to Me on that day(Judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

No mention of sin.....Jesus paid the price.......But they are pleading their case with their DEEDS. Filthy rags.
 
Blain said:
Well maybe I just met the wrong kind of Tulip believers because most of them that I have spoken to believe in a works salvation based on obedience
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John Calvin taught being obedient to the father was absolutely necessary,

On the basis of true faith naturally leads to following Gods commands.
Calvin also taught that christs perfect obedience to God, was because he believes that christ satisfied devine Justice, that made justification or being accepted by God as righteous for us.

He also believe christs obedience to God also represented a model to us, for our own obedience to live a life that aligns with God's will, and a reflection of faith.
 
Jordon said:
John Calvin taught being obedient to the father was absolutely necessary,

On the basis of true faith naturally leads to following Gods commands.
Calvin also taught that christs perfect obedience to God, was because he believes that christ satisfied devine Justice, that made justification or being accepted by God as righteous for us.

He also believe christs obedience to God also represented a model to us, for our own obedience to live a life that aligns with God's will, and a reflection of faith.
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That sounds legit to me as long as our salvation is not based on that but on the finnished work of Christ
 
Cameron143 said:
Jesus dying for sins once doesn't equate to paying for every sin; only there was only 1 point in history where sin was paid for.
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In fact your belief that Jesus is much too hard-hearted to pay for ALL sins is the main plank of your dogma.

Mar 3:28 - Verily I say unto you, All SINS shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
 
Cameron143 said:
I already have life. Disagreeing with you doesn't preclude one from life.
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Cameron143 said:
I get it. God did all He can do and it's up to mankind to obtain it for themselves

Jhn 5:40
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

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Any man is liable to err, only a fool persists in error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero
 
Kroogz said:
Rom 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.


Original Word: ἁμαρτία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Pronunciation: hah-mar-TEE-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
KJV: offence, sin(-ful)
NASB: sin, sins, sinful
Word Origin: [from G264 (ἁμαρτάνω - sinned)]

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds.

ergon: Work, deed, action, task, labor
Original Word: ἔργον
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Pronunciation: ER-gon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
KJV: deed, doing, labour, work
NASB: works, deeds, work, deed, action, behavior, doing
Word Origin: [from a primary (but obsolete) ergo "to work"]


He died for all. And sin is not DEEDS.

Matt 7:22
Many will say to Me on that day(Judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

No mention of sin.....Jesus paid the price.......But they are pleading their case with their DEEDS. Filthy rags.
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Right. They should have plead the blood of Jesus for the remission of their sin.
 
cv5 said:
Cameron143 said:
I get it. God did all He can do and it's up to mankind to obtain it for themselves

Jhn 5:40
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

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Any man is liable to err, only a fool persists in error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero
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That's Jesus talking. I have come to Him. I would never come to you.

Are you suggesting that I'm not saved?
 
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